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Nippon vs. Nihon[edit]

Nihon is listed first on Wiktionary under 日本, but it's listed second here. Is there a reason for this order? --WikiWinters (talk) 13:47, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

It is following the same order as found in the Japanese article. I don't think there's any other reason. This article and the Wiktionary article don't need to have things in the same order. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)


Undue weight[edit]

"Most public and private schools require students to take courses in both Japanese and English" This statement gives Japanese and English the same weight in the Japanese education system, which is just ridiculous. Japanese is the language of instruction and English is taught as a foreign language. All courses are taught in Japanese, not English. I think the sentence is misleading and hence needs to change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1811:8909:8200:1576:6D32:A900:4976 (talk) 16:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

The sentence says nothing about the language of teaching (which most people will figure out is Japanese, given that foreign languages are, at least at first, taught in the native tongue). The sentence, as it stands, is not misleading at all. Most public and private schools do require Japanese and English courses from their students. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:56, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
No, it's just as misleading as the IP says. There are countries in the world (the Philippines, for example) where the language of instruction in many courses (math, etc) is in English. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:31, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
How they teach in the Philippines or any other country is irrelevant here. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
The point couldn't have gone any farther over your head. Please re-read and take the time to comprehend what you're reading before you reply. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:35, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Maybe you need to write more clearly then. You made the point that other countries teach some subjects in English, which is irrelevant to this discussion. How other countries choose to teach subjects in school has absolutely no bearing on how they do things in Japan. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Flat-out ridiculous. Readers don't live in a vacuum—what they know about the rest of the world will inevitably affect how they read poorly-written Wikipedia articles. In the age of the internet it's incomprehensible that you could remain ignorant of this. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:26, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Why the use of 'most'? Isn't 'English as a foreign language' compulsory in all schools? And no people will not necessarily figure out that all subjects are taught in Japanese or that the language of instruction is Japanese in Japan. Some countries, often former colonies, don't have their native language as the (main) language of instruction (especially in North African and Southeast Asian countries). The sentence gives undue weight to the role of English in the Japanese education system. 2A02:1811:8909:8200:1576:6D32:A900:4976 (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Japan isn't a former colony of any country, so that argument is irrelevant. The article states that Japanese is the official language, so if people are thinking they speak English (or any other language) to teach classes in general, they should just stay home because they are too stupid to interact with the world. English is the only other required language in Japanese schools, so there is no undue weight. Regardless, however, I have reworded it slightly. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:29, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
What a comtemptably ridiculous reply. You should step out of your reality distortion field once in a while. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:40, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

The text doesn't even remotely reflect what the source says, which is:

Japanese language instruction receives more attention in Japanese schools than English instruction in the United States because of the difficulty of learning written Japanese. Virtually every Japanese student takes English language courses from the seventh grade through the final year of high school. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 01:45, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
So rewrite it yourself. If you aren't able to edit it (which you should be able to do), then I'll be happy to put it in for you. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:32, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
I did rewrite it—hours ago. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:23, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC on removal of native state names from article lead sentences[edit]

There was an RfC opened that might affect tens of articles, including this one. Your opinions would be welcome. WarKosign 05:44, 19 June 2015 (UTC)