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Misinformation on background of Jatts to be a pastoral community which is false
As quoted in notes"jat contained large numbers of non-elite tillers. In the Punjab and the western Gangetic Plains, convention defined the Rajput's non-elite counterpart as a Jat. Like many similar titles used elsewhere, this was not so much a caste name as a broad designation for the man of substance in rural terrain. … To be called Jat has in some regions implied a background of pastoralism, though it has more commonly been a designation of non-servile cultivating people"...firstly pastoralism has not been proved to be major background of Jatts as has been pointed above also that what Rajput meant was class of people who disagreed to be slaves....also the background of Jatts does not mention the fact that the tribe migrated from the Indus river from another country outside of India and were never Indian to begin with. You have merely portrayed Jatt as a caste more so as a backward caste.
Either remove Jaat from Jatt discussion or specifically mention the history and include that Jatt is not a backward caste.
Jats is community which found in south Asia musty in Northern India and part of Pakistan. Basically as per sources and information available in the early Indus Valley civilization and vedic books in India Jats were the main community of Indus Valley Civilization. They lived on the bank of river Indus and River Saraswati(now not in existence). Due to climatic changes they kept shifting from one place to other, mostly on the banks of rivers. The epic Books of Hindu mythologies such as Rigveda, Ramayana ,Mahabharata, mentions about the Jats. It is said and believed that Shri Hunuman was also Jat. The Baluchs of Baluchistan and Multanis of Multan in Pakistan are also Jats, refer to link https://www.archive.org/stream/glossaryoftribes03rose#page/n19/mode/2up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmsingh2000 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- How many more people are going to comment here without reading what has already been said? We DO NOT use Raj sources. - Sitush (talk) 12:55, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Sitush|, I seen and read your 8 Februry post as mentioned above. It early does not matter as to whether the reference book or find is in circulation or not. we have to see the contents are they reliable or not. As per my survey and travel research the castes of Jats as mentioned in the referred glossary do exist as of now and for updates of information on any community is from old and present customs. The referred book was written in year 1911 such findings Jats castes and tribe which are also prevailingas of now cannot be ignored while updating page.Rmsingh2000 (talk) 15:08, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
- Like I said, if you do not understand that post from February and the links that it contains, Wikipedia (or at least the English-language version of it) is probably not the place for you. Your own research is irrelevant and the community has agreed for years that we do not use Rose etc as sources. This is the end of the discussion. - Sitush (talk) 15:13, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
Afghanistan and recent changes to the lead
These edits introduced Afghanistan but also seem to have significantly modified the structure and (to a lesser extent) content of the lead section. Given the contentious nature of this article and the relatively settled nature of the lead, I suspect those changes should be opened to discussion first. That's why I reverted. - Sitush (talk) 06:04, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I am pinging Fowler&fowler because they were at the heart of thrashing out the lead more or less as it currently stands and at a time when this article was incredibly unstable due to sockpuppets etc. That's why it now has editing restrictions. - Sitush (talk) 06:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- Good to hear from you, @Sitush:. That was a long time ago! Good times. As for Jats in Afghanistan, the only thing I can think, off the top of my head, is that "Jat" is also used in Central Asia and the Middle East for Gypsies/Roma, Dom, etc, i.e. nomads whose ancestors came out of India centuries ago, and spread westward, settling in many countries, including probably Afghanistan. I don't think those "Jats" have any relation to the subjects of the article, or perhaps they have the kinds of connections that belong to footnotes. Will look for some sources. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 16:25, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
Why can't this be added The title of this is jat? Are jat, jatt zutt the same or not where is the argument presented for the view they are or are not gypsy ? Cleareng (talk) 17:03, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Are views based on the chachnama valid ?
Jackson, Peter (2003), The Delhi Sultanate: A Political and Military History, Cambridge University Press, p. 15, ISBN 978-0-521-54329-3, retrieved13 November 2011 Quote: "... Nor can the liberation that the Muslim conquerors offered to those who sought to escape from the caste system be taken for granted. … a caliphal governor of Sind in the late 830s is said to have … (continued the previous Hindu requirement that) … the Jats, when walking out of doors in future, to be accompanied by a dog. The fact that the dog is an unclean animal to both Hindu and Muslim made it easy for the Muslim conquerors to retain the status quoregarding a low-caste tribe. In other words, the new regime in the eighth and ninth centuries did not abrogate discriminatory regulations dating from a period of Hindu sovereignty; rather, it maintained them. (page 15)" Cleareng (talk) 17:08, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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