Talk:Jean Anthelme Brillat-Savarin

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Untitled[edit]

The "passive of non-attribution' is generally followed by an irresponsible statement. Thus ""Physiologie" has been credited as the first promotion of the low-carbohydrate diet." "Carbo-hydrates" were first identified as a group in 1869, according to OED. A link to text of Physiologie is at the entry. Wetman 22:33, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)

"Pointless interference"[edit]

It's a great quotation. But this is Wikipedia, not Iron Chef. It may look pretty, but to put a quotation before the leader is just bad formatting. I've never seen another article featuring a quotation (or anything else, apart from disambiguation) before the leader. Check out Wikipedia:Guide_to_layout (in particular Introductory material) and Wikipedia:Introductions. And part of assuming good faith involves not calling other users' contributions "pointless". -- Krash 07:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Apparently I am even more familiar with Wikipedia:Guide to layout, etc etc than our present layout enforcer, for it has nothing to say of putting "a quotation before the leader" —it's called an epigraph, by the way— but in fact says of a Quotation subheading, such as Krash seems to find stylish, "Under this header, list any memorable quotations that are appropriate to the subject...This header is somewhat deprecated." Deprecated indeed. In my well-founded opinion it is lame. And the remark "But this is Wikipedia, not Iron Chef" strikes me as quite unnecessarily pert. There is no point in enforcing an imagined uniformity based on one's limited experience, simply because one has never seen an epigraph, thus the edit is in fact pointless. My aspersion is cast only upon the action, for of the person I know less than nothing— save what I read. My good faith is in quite limited supply: I cannot waste it where it is inappropriate. --Wetman 09:02, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps the Iron Chef comment was a bit below the belt. But my point was that it doesn't really seem to be encyclopedic to include an epigraph. The device may have a name and be used by famous writers, but it seems a very editorializing stylistic choice. We're not eulogizing M. Savarin, we're just writing an article about him. And part of not being a dick involves not condescending. -- Krash 18:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Now another of these high-school grads who'd never heard of Brillat-Savarin before Iron Chef has begun the article with unintentional hilarity: "His words above immortalized by Iron Chef..." Brilliant! This is like beginning the article on Ares, "Made famous by Xena, Warrior Princess, the Greek god Ares..." --Wetman 06:37, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Hyphenated given names[edit]

I always understood his given name is the hyphenated "Jean-Anthelme". Is this not so? JackofOz 12:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Modern French practice is to hyphenate: Jean-Luc, Jean-Marc, Jean-Batiste. But where the two names don't normally run together, as Jean Anthelme, are they hyphenated usually nowadays? --Wetman 21:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, Anthelme is not normally hyphenated because it is not normally encountered at all. But is this about current conventions about hyphenating, or about what his actual name was? My 70's hard copy Britannica calls him "Brillat-Savarin, (Anthelme)", which suggests he was generally known by his surname alone, but when his given name was used it was Anthelme, and Jean was dropped altogether. (These questions always turn out to be cans of worms.) JackofOz 02:02, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
With published authors, it's never a very complicated problem, as long as one can turn to a title-page. --Wetman 06:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

You Go Wetman[edit]

I love to read cerebrally undercoated smartassery. Your gentle delivery of intellect regarding the positioning of quotations is delightfully funny. Upon digesting those comments I find myself afloat upon a frisson. My appologies for finding this scripted dialogue many years after however, I am a dimwhit with computers. Anyway, outstanding control and clearity of message my good fellow. Always willing to be inspired.Arfruehauf (talk) 01:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)--Arfruehauf (talk) 01:01, 24 June 2011 (UTC)arfruehauf.

Did he say "repas" or "dessert"?[edit]

Did Brillat-Savarin say Un repas sans fromage est une belle à qui il manque un œil or Un dessert...? And could it be that if he did say dessert two hundred years ago, meal would perhaps be a more accurate translation to modern English than dessert? - Tournesol (talk) 09:32, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Good question. A quick Google search finds websites using both versions.[1] I suggest a more careful search would be worthwhile. Here is a definitive version of his book, but it is unindexed and badly OCRed.[2]   Will Beback  talk  10:33, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Found it, page 14. It is indeed dessert. - Tournesol (talk) 11:12, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Excellent work. There remains the possibility that he also included it in some other writing or oral comment with un repas instead. But until someone finds one of those un dessert seems like the best answer.   Will Beback  talk  11:20, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Position against printing assignats from Fiat Money Inflation in France[edit]

Brillat-Savarin stood against the printing of paper money, assignats.

"To him replied Brillat-Savarin. He called attention to the depreciation of assignats already felt. He tried to make the Assembly see that natural laws work as inexorably in France as elsewhere; he predicted that if this new issue were made there would come a depreciation of thirty per cent. Singular, that the man who so fearlessly stood against this tide of unreason has left to the world simply a reputation as the most brilliant cook that ever existed!"

http://www.libertarianpress.com/fiatmoneyinflation/Fiat%20Money%20Inflation%20in%20France%20by%20Andrew%20Dickson%20White.pdf - page 21

Michael H 34 (talk) 13:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC) Michael H 34

Porn[edit]

B-S also wrote short stories and some pornographic novellas. No mention here?