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Help with proper formatting of source[edit]
An addition was made regarding Jeff Davis being a member of the Protestant Episcopal Church in the Confederate States of America and I've found a supporting source[1], but not the best at footnotes formatting. If someone could help to add it, I would be very appreciative, thanks. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 01:44, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks to Omnedon for formatting the reference correctly, I can dig up these obscure documents (cir.1940); but listing them correctly has always been a challenge. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 04:09, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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More work needed[edit]
I came across this article Sunday morning and was surprised it had "Fine Article" status when that for Robert E. Lee only has "B" status. I had visited the Lee article on Lee-Jackson Day Friday and appreciated the improvement to the slavery subsection. I expected to see a similar subsection on this article, but didn't. Furthermore, I first reviewed the Final Years section, and noticed two obvious problems--saying that by then he only had one surviving child, and characterizing the man at whose house he died as a "historian". Plus, I had seen references elsewhere about Richmond's ex-Confederates as nearly buying his body for re-burial at Hollywood cemetery. Because this laptop has had space bar issues (and tho malware scans are clean, that software won't autoupdate), and the first one I tried to replace it with has a very odd shift key and the second one won't update beyond Windows 10 Version 1607, I went to my local library that evening to try the failed update again. I skimmed two books about Davis and made some corrections to this article before it closed. However, I don't know if I'll have time to try that (failed) update again today at a research library where I can review the recent Davis bio or other books cited. I couldn't find a cite to Davis' having been elected a Senator in 1875, including at the only book about Southern Reconstruction at our local Barnes and Noble during yesterday's MLK holiday. From that book and the Wikipedia articles about its two Republican Senators of this era, Mississippi politics was heated (if not at gunpoint). Today I emailed a retired historian who wrote about that era decades ago. I don't know if he'll have the inclination or time to fix this article.Jweaver28 (talk) 16:03, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- This article has recently been expanded in several burst of effort and so not all the new parts were fitted together in the best of manners. Some of the issues are new information I've yet to verify. As for children, they had 5, but only their daughter Margaret Howell Davis married and had a family. This is detailed in Varina Davis. In short, there are some issues of late, and new sections on death and funeral will take a while to research. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 16:50, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
- I don't know that this article needs to be "fixed". It went through extensive review to reach featured article status. But having said that, there's no such thing as a perfect article; every article can be improved. Many editors have worked on this article over a long period of time, so let's take care when "fixing" it, as this has at times cost articles their featured or good article status. Omnedon (talk) 17:21, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Jweaver28, can you please take care with your citation formats? Citations like "Cooper2000 pp. 614" and "Cooper2000 pp. 618-619" do not help the article. A space belongs between "Cooper" and "2000", and you may notice that existing Cooper references are formatted to link to the work in question in the bibliography. Short references need to be terminated with a period. A single-page reference would not use "pp.". An en-dash is to be used in a page range, not a hyphen. The Collins references also need to specify the year of the book. These issues may appear trivial but they're not, particularly for an article that already has featured article status. Omnedon (talk) 01:11, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- I've fixed some of the citation issues, but I think there are more, and some of the new article text also needs copyediting. If others don't work on it, I will next chance I get. Omnedon (talk) 02:48, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks for finding and fixing some of the many typos yesterday, Omnedon. I also do appreciate the work you've put in on this article, and especially that when you use book citations, they include page numbers. My pet peeve is repeated references to a book without any page numbers anywhere, but when I initially tried to replicate that linked citation formatting yesterday, it didn't work, so I did a quick fix before leaving for dinner. This morning, I brought my bigger laptop (with the split shift/page up key but more accurate keyboard) to the cafe in order to correct some more typos, as well as fix the disambiguation links, even though DAB solver initially seemed broken.
- Anyhow, I added text during these past few days in order to get it up near Good Article status, not to trash it like a possibly paid editor did to my Harriett Starr Cannon article shortly after a man back on April 30, 2014 threatened "cyber warfare" and other attacks against me until I "shut up" about their real estate shenanigans in Virginia and elsewhere, as well as "shut up online." The dozens of threats seemed incredible at the time, but the deliberately anonymous sleazebags have been plaguing me via phone, mail, etc. for years, starting with a perjured affidavit about those threats (a different guy showed up in court) as well as ageist, racist and sexist epithets outside the courtroom. Tis is their high season, starting with another possibly paid wikipedia editor last month trying to convince me that "genealogy trumps history". No-message calls from various unattributed numbers resumed January 2, as did postcards with supposedly local numbers but fake addresses, and different middle-aged jerks yesterday and today came to sit a couple of tables away from me just after I posted on wikipedia. The cafe's not a library, but talking to oneself or blaring foxnews or something from tablets without earphones is rude, even if the young guy promising continued harassment way back then mentioned tracking and harassing me by phone and internet. What can I say but "Phew" and finish this?
- I spent time at various libraries and B&N over the weekend and yesterday both because this article really wasn't up to snuff, as well as because my favorite wikipedia editing laptop wouldn't update nor finish a malware scan (nor would its replacement install needed Windows10 securities updates either there or at home via a USB/ethernet connection). Frankly, I'm not sure how this article reached GA much less FA status, given that the legacy section even back in 2013 stated that Davis was again elected to the U.S. Senate in 1875. That wasn't even in Appleton's Cyclopedia in 1915 (that being easily downloaded and reviewable for years). I'm not trying to denigrate your work with the citations, and appreciate the many photos as well as the bibliography's length. I'm sure the publishers appreciate the ICBN links.
- However, at least the Later Years and Legacy sections haven't reflected the historical record or research consensus during the last couple of decades. Strode taught creative writing back in the 1950s, not history! LSU's Cooper (his name really should include "Jr.") wrote 2 relevant books--the 2000 book is the best recent Davis bio I could find at the research library, and his 2003 book is a condensed version of some of Davis' writing. Collins only wrote one relevant book per my shelf search as well as the bibliography. Frankly, the endnotes in the Cooper bio aren't perfect (the legal citations seem screwy), but the genealogy/research library I drove to yesterday had several earlier Davis bios which lacked both footnotes and endnotes. I haven't any inclination to review the recently reissued 3-paperback-volumes of Davis' Confederate History, nor have I reviewed Eric Foner's books (which probably should be included rather than Strode's and several others listed), just done triage on possibly the most important of several problem articles. I don't know the backgrounds of the three peer reviewers or whether they were tired by the time they reached those IMHO pretty obviously problematic sections; I hope they weren't ideologically biased or incompetent. I also don't know why this article's talk page has already been archived twice--neither archived version appears lengthy, and the pretty basic issue of this near-failure to address slavery and race relations mentioned early in the first archived talk page remains today. This is worrysome, IMHO, especially since this article's been featured several times in February, which is soon to arrive. IMHO, the Legacy section needs a copyedit worse than the material I've just added and cleaned up, and not just because I live in Arlington, Virginia. Since I've added considerable text, maybe pictures of Beauvoir can be added for further aesthetic balance, or a map of the cortege's route to Richmond. That said, I've neglected important personal business while trying to address this. Finally last night the Win10 Version 1709 update installed, so I need to drive westward. I'll be thinking of you in Indiana, though I don't know exactly where you live, or if you want to meet as my dogs and I drive through. I hope you're warm and dry. I don't expect to work more on this any time soon.Jweaver28 (talk) 18:03, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
When I experienced further computer problems last weekend, I stopped by the reference library to download antivirus software and also checked the two shelves of Jeff.Davis bios and books to learn what books had no foot nor endnotes. Fortunately, none of the five were in this wikipedia bibliography, although one by Herman S. Frey (1920-1999) did state that Davis "could" have been elected to the Mississippi Senate in 1875. BTW, Strode's books have chapter endnotes (which appear poor at a glance). While I respect Lt.Comdr. Frey's military service (as well as Davis's before secession), I don't think highly of his hagiographical description of Davis' postwar activities. I also noticed that the former wikipedia section resembles that posted on the Encyclopedia Virginia by a current military history professor, and emailed my concerns to that organization.Jweaver28 (talk) 15:41, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Confusing statement about "free slaves"[edit]
Under the heading "President of the Confederate States of America: Overseeing the Civil War efforts", the second and third sentences of the second paragraph read "While the North's population was almost entirely white, the South had an enormous number of black slaves and people of color. While the latter were free, becoming a soldier was seen as the prerogative of white men only." (emphasis added) This is confusingly written, as it appears to claim that "black slaves and people of color...were free" -- on the whole, a factually incorrect statement. Is it referring to freed blacks? Can anyone clarify this? Thanks. Bricology (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
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