Talk:Jehovah's Witnesses

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Inclusion as a "Christian Denomination"[edit]

I know that this statement may not sit well with some, and I don't intend to offend, but I'm not even sure that JWs should be listed as a Christian denomination. There are already almost innumerable differences between their doctrines, beliefs, and interpretations and those held by most of Mainstream Christianity. However, I would submit that the JW's denial of Jesus' Divinity as God, as well as the organization's belief that Jesus was not physically, that is to say "bodily", resurrected, and the denial of Salvation through Jesus for those outside their group, pretty much not only sets them apart, but violates the very definition of the Christian faith and some of the most basic criteria used by academics and theologians to classify a given denomination or religion as part of Christianity. One reason I'm compelled to ask for the opinions of others here, is that it isn't just one or two things, or a bunch of little, marginal things that separates them from the rest of Christianity. There are a large number of differences here. A lot actually. And quite a few of them are VERY substantial. Besides the issues already mentioned, it doesn't help that this group was not simply an offshoot or splinter grouo of an older, larger, established denomination already in existence. This group is pretty much in a class all its own. It has developed and espoused ideas found nowhere else, and did so indepently of even a marginally recognized parent Church, much less the Mainstream Christian movement, using a religious text that is a translation created on their own and meant for their exclusive use. At some point, one must take a step back and see if something truly fits in the same mold anymore. If it helps clarify my way of thinking in this instance, one could see this as akin to the point where Christianity just didn't fit into the category of Judaism anymore. It had diverged and developed substantially enough to have become something so unique and different that it was necessary to be categorized separately and as something else. Thoughts? Thetruchairman (talk) 16:41, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

This has been discussed many times. JW are a Christian denomination.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:28, 23 March 2019 (UTC)
JW cannot be Christian, as they state that Jesus Christ was only a man. Most Christian religions regard JW as a cult. 2A01:4B00:881D:3700:25A3:940B:4DAB:9A57 (talk) 18:49, 28 March 2019 (UTC)
Actually most recognized scholars in the subject would disagree. Remember that every religion has the one true form and all others are heathens and following false gods etc. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
Your premise is based on a loaded definition of 'Christian'. Christians are people who purport to follow the teachings of Jesus who they believe to be the 'Christ' (Messiah) promised in the Hebrew Bible. Additions to that definition are subjective theological opinions.
Irrespective of whether JWs are actually a 'cult' (see WP:LABEL), the terms Christian and cult are not mutually exclusive, and the theological opinion of rival denominations is not particularly important here, in the same way that the JWs view that other denominations are not 'true Christians' is also irrelevant.--Jeffro77 (talk) 00:07, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Does this really need to be defended again? "Christian: someone who follows or adheres to Christianity." "Christianity-a religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, as described in the New Testament. Its adherents, known as Christians, believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and savior of all people, whose coming as the Messiah was prophesied in the Old Testament." JW's believe that Christ was the promised Son of God and savior as described in the New Testament, who was prophesied about in the Old Testament. Everything else (hell, Trinity, etc) is individualistic to different denominations. The "their own text" argument also falls flat, as there are something like 400+ translations of the Bible in the english language alone, and everyone chooses their preferred one (KJV, NWT, NSV etc). Done. Vyselink (talk) 00:25, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

JWs are not a cult, and they are a Christian denomination --XTMontana (talk) 16:03, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witnesses and the memorial of Christ's death[edit]

Hey- is there any special way that JWs observe the memorial of Christ's death? If there is, add it to the Good Friday page. I already added a sentence with two sources. Geographyinitiative (talk) 04:56, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Jehovah's Witnesses do commemorate Jesus' death, but it very rarely falls on Good Friday. The date they use generally coincides with Nisan 14 on the Jewish calendar, though sometimes deviates from the modern Hebrew calendar based on their own determination of how the ancient Hebrew calendar was applied.--Jeffro77 (talk) 05:25, 19 April 2019 (UTC)
Witnesses would likely object to any association with good friday and is probably a very inaccurate way to describe their celebration. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 16:28, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Assemblies[edit]

"Twice each year, Witnesses from a number of congregations that form a "circuit" gather for a one-day assembly." Is this correct? Aren't they gather once a year for one-day assembly, and once a year for another two-day assembly (or convention)?--Lancet.lancet (talk) 12:43, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Your information may be out of date? There were previously a one-day assembly, a two-day assembly and a three-day convention annually. However, as of around 2014, and attested in their Organized book (2015, pages 63-64), there are two annual one-day assemblies in addition to an annual regional convention.--Jeffro77 (talk) 04:39, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I'm translating this article into Armenian, as there were not any source, just wanted to clarify.--Lancet.lancet (talk) 11:56, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thanks for translation efforts. I have added the reference to the article.--Jeffro77 (talk) 10:29, 24 June 2019 (UTC)