Talk:Jerry West

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Good article Jerry West has been listed as one of the Sports and recreation good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
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Date Process Result
September 30, 2008 WikiProject peer review Reviewed
September 30, 2008 Good article nominee Listed
February 13, 2011 Peer review Reviewed
Current status: Good article

Magic Johnson[edit]

Removing this: "In 1980, the Lakers won the NBA Championship led by Magic Johnson, who became the first and only rookie to be named the NBA Finals MVP."

Doesn't seem to have anything to do with Jerry West. 65.88.178.10 20:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Most likely a Magic Johnson fanatic. If you made a section called "other NBA legends," that would be perfect. You can make a links section for that. ~Regulus.

Name[edit]

In his book Mr. Clutch West reports his name as "Jerry Alan West". I imagine that if his name were Jerome he'd be the first to know about it. RandyBeegle 05:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

School[edit]

"Due to West's tremendous play in the state championship, the school of East Bank changes its name every year on that same day to West Bank."

East Bank doesn't exist anymore. I'm considering the best way to keep this neat bit of trivia while reflecting the fact that it's out of date.

Retirement[edit]

According to the following link, he retired because he could not recover from an abdominal strain. Right/wrong? Should this be added to his page? [1]--Halmass (talk) 13:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

GAC[edit]

After a big big rewrite, this article is a current good article candidate, see this link. Copyediting and constructive criticism are appreciated. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 23:38, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I learned something new[edit]

...from one of yesterday afternoon's episodes of the new Trivial Pursuit: I find it hard to believe the NBA used an actual player—this very guy—in their logo! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 04:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

  • One of West's lesser used nicknames is actually "The Logo" ;) —Onomatopoeia (talk) 20:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Jerry West/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Hello, I will be reviewing this article. Check back soon (My apologies for the delay in starting this... had some personal business to take care of!) CarpetCrawler (talk) 00:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

On hold[edit]

This article is VERY well written, and very accurately sourced, however, I just have a few issues that I'd like to see resolved, before I can pass this article. They are as follows.

  • "Eventually becoming the team's starting small forward, West quickly established himself as one of the finest West Virginian high school players of his generation; West was named an All-State from 1953–1956, and an All-American in 1956, when he was also named West Virginia Player of the Year after becoming the state's first high-school player to score more than 900 points in a season and averaged 32.2 points per game; his trademark became his midrange jump shot, which he often used to hit high-pressure baskets.[1]" - That is an incredibly long almost run-on sentence, even with the semi-colons. I suggest you separate it into separate sentences.
Done Split into 3 new sentences —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "At first, West felt odd in his new environment. He was a loner, his high-pitched voice earned him the nickname "Tweety Bird", and he spoke with such a thick Appalachian accent that his team mates also referred to him as "Zeke from Cabin Creek", acknowledging his hillbilly roots; whenever West tried to pronounce this nickname, he would say it as "Zeek fr'm Cab'n Creek".[13]" - Once again, a very long sentence, that can instead be two sentences.
Done Split into 2 new sentences —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "The two teams split the first two games, and in Game 3 in L.A., West tied the game at 115, and Sam Jones of the Celtics inbounded the ball at half-court with |three seconds left." - Remove the "|".
Done Deleted —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "Veteran coach Fred Schaus retired, and Butch Van Breda Kolff took over; under his reign, the Lakers won 52 games in the 1967–68 NBA season in their first year in the The Forum." - Needs a reference.
Done See the new ref —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "On July 9, 1968, the Lakers made a spectacular trade which brought center Wilt Chamberlain to Los Angeles at the beginning of the 1968–69 NBA season." - Whom/what did they trade away to get Wilt? Draft picks? Cash? Players?
Done Added that the Lakers lost Imhoff, Clark and Chambers plus Goodrich. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "In the 1969–70 NBA season under new coach Joe Mullaney, the Lakers' season began with a shock when Wilt Chamberlain seriously injured his knee and missed practically the whole regular season." - This needs a reference.
Done Page 227 of Wilt's bio retells the whole yukky story. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "After a slump in the early 1990s, West rebuilt the team of coach Del Harris around center Vlade Divac and guard Nick Van Exel, which won 48 games, reached the 1995 NBA Finals and went to the Western Conference Semifinals; for turning the team around, West received his first Executive of the Year Award.[41]" - Pretty sure the Rockets represented the West in the 1995 NBA Finals. Perhaps you meant playoffs?
Done Corrected the mistake. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
  • In most of the references/citations, it looks like you tried to link the dates. Remove those, as the date are to be left alone.
Done I hope I got em all —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

When my requirements are met, I will DEFINITELY pass this article, as it is fantastic and VERY well-written. Wonderful job by everyone who worked on it. Please send me a message on my talkpage, if you have finished fixing up the article, or if you have any questions. Thanks, and good luck! CarpetCrawler (talk) 23:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the very detailed and constructive review, it was a very rewarding process following this input. I hope this removed the majority of the problems, and just drop me a line if not. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Fantastic work, this article now easily passes, congratulations! What a wonderful re-write of the article! CarpetCrawler (talk) 02:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yoohoo!! Thanks for the green plus and for your extensive review. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 20:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

After the successful GA push, this article is currently going into peer review. Click this link to enter the peer review page. Additional input is always welcomed! —Onomatopoeia (talk) 20:11, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

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College Stats[edit]

I added a link to West's college statistics to the article. I realize that the link provided to basketball-reference.com has college stats, but the stats at WVUstats.com include single game highs in college and awards and honors not listed at basketball-reference. I also figured that if someone was interested enough in Jerry West's college career, they might be interested in WVU basketball stats in general. So I hope that at least one person finds that link useful.--RandyBeegle (talk) 03:27, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Too much[edit]

Egad...too many statistics. The article goes on and on and on. This is supposed to be a biography, not a play by play synopsis of every basketball game Jerry West ever played, and certainly not every blasted shot he took. Throw out 30-40% of the statistical stuff, and clean up the play by play action. Also, the pictures???? Boring. Unless they relate to something specific within the article, they do not belong. It's a good article, sure, but it needs drastic editing. For example, count the number of times the word but is used (or yet, or however). The sentence structure is overly long, complex, and goes on and on and on. By the time, a reader gets to the halfway point, the poor reader is exhausted with sentences that say something like: well, Jerry missed 30.5 fouls from the free throw line, but his overall scoring for that half was 16.7 assists and 69 points; yet, when he tried to pull himself together (as the champion, NBA, small forward that he was, from years gone by); and in the second half, when he stepped to the free throw line, his average got even worse (45 missed fouls???) (and 16 were even 3-point conversions!!!!!); nevertheless, (or should we say, however) as the game came to a thundering close, Jerry West, Mr. MVP for the day, scored the final basket with a mid-court SLAM, making Air Jordan's similar feats from yesteryear look almost elementary. JiggleJog (talk) 16:43, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


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umm, jerry's bio on nba.com makes no mention of his likeness being the basis for the logo. can anyone point me to a proper source on this?? 114.30.119.167 (talk) 02:47, 8 June 2009 (UTC)bilby jones

A recent article on the topic: [2]Myasuda (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, your link is dead. Fox Sports.com ran a story a couple years ago entitled "If West is the NBA's logo, should he be?" That story is also since removed, but is reprinted here.[3] Money quote:

"I found the original photograph in the archives of Sport Magazine," (logo designer Alan) Siegel said. "It was an action shot of Jerry West dribbling down the court from one of the Lakers' games. I sketched it, cleaned it up a bit and stylized it. I streamlined the tracing I made -- (and) slimmed it down a little bit -- so it would work in all applications."

The article also says that the NBA denies the logo is based on any one person, labeling such claims as "urban myth." West is also quoted in the story as saying:

"If it is me, I'm obviously honored that they would have thought enough of me to place me there," he said, "But I don't think they've ever officially confirmed that it's me. I can tell you that a lot of people say it's me."

So the truth is not as simple as claimed - a photo of West was the original source, it is widely presumed to be him, but the logo is not actually intended to represent him or any other player. The article should reflect this. SixFourThree (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2009 (UTC)SixFourThree

A Class Review[edit]

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The Quadruple Double[edit]

There is a discrepancy here. This article states that West logged a 'quadruple double' (double digits in 4 of the following in one game: points, steals, assists, rebounds, or blocked shots), but in the citation (NBA.com) it states:

only four players have officially recorded a quadruple-double in National Basketball Association (NBA) history. The first American male player above the high school level to officially record a quadruple-double was Nate Thurmond, who achieved this feat in 1974 while playing for the NBA's Chicago Bulls.

It doesn't say whether he was one of those players, but he retired in 1974, so unless he did it in his final year of play (and the two first quad-doubles took place in the same year, which you'd think the NBA.com article would mention), this seems erroneous. At very least, the citation doesn't contain the info stated. Skabbonica (talk) 13:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

The article states (correctly) that West's quadruple double is unofficial, so there is no conflict. Note that any quadruple-double occurring prior to the 1973-74 season is unofficial as steals and blocked-shots were not "officially" recorded until that season. — Myasuda (talk) 14:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

[edit]

The article has been pretty vague on the topic of the logo, as far as it is concerned. If West actually is the face of the logo, then there should be proper information on it. If possible, it would be better if the actual picture that inspired the logo also was included.

On the other hand, if the logo story is an urban myth, as is suggested in one of the other talk threads, it should be clarified as to what the myth actually is, and who said what.

The logo, as a whole, generates enough interest and deserves a full explanation, if not an article by itself, IMHO.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:07, 15 July 2012 (UTC)