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It says the Jersey Shore "excludes the estuaries of New York Bay and Delaware Bay." What about the beaches of Raritan Bay, espcially in northern Monmouth County near Keyport and Aberdeen?
I think it depends on whether or not someone is talking about "the Shore" as a destination or "the Shore" as a region. If one is talking about the region then certainly Monmouth Co. (except those areas in the 609 area code) is in that region. On the other hand, I'm from Monmouth Co. and I've never heard anyone say "i'm going down the shore" because they were headed to Keyport. People always have, and still do refer to that area as the Bayshore. In terms of the Bayshore I think Earle is the cutoff. People definitely include Atlantic Highlands and Highlands as part of "the shore." I also think it's important to note somewhere that i've never heard a native of the area say "i'm going to the shore." They say they're "going to the beach". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 18:11, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
- "Geographically, the term encompasses the New Jersey coast from Sandy Hook in the north to Cape May in the south and excludes the estuaries of New York Bay and Delaware Bay." So I guess Raritan Bay is sort of a gray area in regards to the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 13:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
- No gray area here. Any of the towns bordering the Raritan Bay have always been considered part of the Bayshore, a region distinct from The Shore. This certainly would include the Highlands, as seen here: http://www.bayshorenj.biz/ Among the bayshore towns, only Sandy Hook (which isn't even really a town so much as a peninsula and a national recreation area) can share the distinction of being on both the Shore and the Bayshore. Terrapin7 (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I think it's sort of relative what is considered "the Shore". (Much like the North/South and North/South/Central Jersey debates). I live around the Middlesex/Monmouth county border, and my friends from North Jersey think I live "down the shore". I am not far from a "beach" (if you can call it that), which falls in that area mentioned above, but I've never considered it "the shore". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Susan118 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Regarding In almost all cases the word "shore" itself only refers to the beaches of New Jersey, as it is almost unthinkable to refer to anything outside of New Jersey as a "shore.":
What? I don't understand what the author is getting at here. Can someone explain it? -Rwv37 19:43, May 2, 2004 (UTC)
- OK. I'm getting rid of it. -Rwv37 17:07, May 9, 2004 (UTC)
What it means is, nowhere else do people say they are going to "the shore" only in NJ do tehy call it this.
How can you say this definatively?MCWicoff 05:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
People everywhere in the mid-atlantic states call the coastal areas "the shore" or some variation of it. In Delaware it's definitely "the shore". In Maryland the use the term "the shore" to differentiate between the atlantic ocean and beaches on the Chesapeake. In Virginia "the shore" or "eastern shore" are the coastal communities on the Delmarva peninsula and "the beach" refers to Virginia Beach. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:56, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a new article Shore Region that was suggested for merging into this article. The article doesn't have much content and woud have seemed a likely candidate to change to a redirect. Howevere, the New Jersey article describes that "the New Jersey Commerce, Economic Growth & Tourism Commission divides the state into six distinct regions to facilitate the state's tourism industry." This might very well justify keeping it as a standalone article. Alansohn 00:54, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Hey there, I'm the one who suggested the merge. The creator of the Shore Region article has removed the merge suggestion from that article, and left a message on my talk page. I believe that what he was expressing there was that while "Jersey Shore" is a colloquial term, "Shore Region" is an official designation with different boundaries. If my interpretation of what he said is indeed accurate, then the Shore Region article needs to have this contextual information added so others will not wonder, as I did, why that particular part of the Jersey Shore is being portrayed as distinct in its own right. If this is accurate, then the merge would not be appropriate. --Icarus (Hi!) 22:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
- Well, I went ahead and did what I could after stumbling onto this controversy. Hope it is well received (Hi Alan, more work for you now! Only the Skylands Region article you wrote is extant).Rblaster 17:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
- The expanded introduction to Shore Region that Rblaster wrote cleared up the confusion I had regarding the difference between the two terms. It's now clear that they require separate articles, so I've removed the suggested merge template from this article (the other one was already removed). Thanks, all! --Icarus (Hi!) 04:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
- This should be for "Location and Region" but I didn't know how to start a new topic. There is no distinct cultural or regional divide within Monmouth Co. certainly not among the locals. That goes the same straight into Ocean Co. at least as far south as Toms River. In short, 195 or the Manasquan River divides nothing. That's a popular misconception that seems only to exist in the minds of people from South Jersey. If there is a distinct boundary anywhere it would be along the divide between the 609/732 area code. As far as tourists are concerned the clear break is on Long Beach Island. Even on LBI itself the northern end of the island has more of an North Jersey/NYC influence and the south end is definitely more Philly/South Jersey although people from all areas are scattered across the island. Brigantine, the first beach town south of LBI, and everything south to Cape May is clearly dominated by Philly/South Jersey. While you will see New York plates all up and down the Parkway the North Jersey/NY day-trippers and weekenders drop off abruptly at LBI. You rarely see Pennsylvania plates north of Ocean Grove. Most of the beaches between Sea Bright and Seaside Park, are dominated by people from the Monmouth of Ocean Co. Seaside Heights is a notable exception. The area between Ocean Grove and Point Pleasant is popular with a lot of families from central Bucks Co, PA and from Mercer Co, NJ - those areas with easy access to I-195 but they are outnumbered by the North Jersey/NY crowd. Likewise the towns south of Mantoloking down to Island Beach State Park draw a few travelers from Camden and Burlington Counties but most of the crowd is from Monmouth-Ocean-Middlesex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure how to best maintain this list, as I don't know where to find sources for it at the moment. However, I removed a handful of towns (such as Toms River and Wall) that are most certainly not "destinations" for anybody in the sense this article seems to mean.--Dmz5 07:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a map to clarify what is being discussed.
Consider "Image:New Jersey Counties by metro area labeled.svg|right|thumb|200px|..." (wiki formatting removed).
No. I've never heard anyone call the shore "downdashore." All that's happened is that someone has tried to spell in a heavy New Jersey accent, in the process torturing a prepositional phrase into a noun. Probably to make people from New Jersey sound stupid. --Erik Kennedy 19:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Here in NJ (I am a lifelong resident of the Garden State), the beaches are, indeed, referred to as "down the shore". If someone is planning a trip to the boardwalk in Seaside, or the beach in LBI (Long Beach island) or Sandy Hook, or any destination along the coast of NJ from Sandy Hook down to Cape May, they don't say they are going to that place specifically, they almost always say they are going "down the shore". I can't say with certainty that this phrase is unique to NJ, but I believe it is.
You're right though, people in NJ don't say "downdashore", that's how it'd be said by a NYC native. If spoken by a NJ native, it'd be closer to "downthashore" ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 21:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Downdashore might happen if you're from NY and trying to say "I'm going down the shore" with an obnoxious Brooklynn accent. But yes, unlike in most parts of the country, we don't really go to the beach in NJ. We go down the shore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- I don't know what portion of New Jersey you are from, but I can tell you definitively that those of us who were raised in the municipalities that border the ocean most certainly go to the beach. "Down the shore" is merely how we would describe it to someone not from the area if we are in their neck of the woods. (which may, indeed, include any of the towns north of the Sayerville area, as well as the New York metro area. Thus the "down" [as in north to south] portion of the phrase.) As to the phrase's encyclopedic worth, there really is none in this context. It is merely a geographic signifier, like "up the country" or "downstream". Terrapin7 (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
A "Benny" has nothing to do with Philadelphia. Benny gets its name from two possible origins, one being the first letter of the following places where Bennys are from; Bayonne, Elizabeth, Newark, New York. The other origin dates back to when Jews would come down the shore. A common Jewish name was Benjamin, hence the name "Benny" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aczaplicki (talk • contribs) 02:01, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Quote lacks citation and leaves wrong vibe
Citizens of certain areas of the Shore are unique in New Jersey because some communities often have mixed affiliations between New York and Philadelphia.
This quote has no citation and leaves the wrong message. Central Jersey has the same exact multi-metro area influence and a place like Hightstown or Cranbury is actually only about 60 miles apart, as opposed to the 90 each Long Beach Island has. So it's not that unique in the state of NJ have mixed affiliations. When I said leaving the wrong message though, I'm unsure if it was previously deleted, but it gives the impression people from those areas may have moved there, in any significant numbers, which isn't true. Most people who've historically populated this area are various parts of New Jersey. I remember there being something that said Most principally populated from New York and Philadelphia, but that idiotic remark was made more in reference to Cape May. I'll be deleting the following quote above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:41, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Tom220.127.116.11 (talk)
Removal of boxes
I have removed the box describing the article as resembling an advertisement, and the one describing it as reading like a travel guide. While it may have applied in the past, I now feel that it's been rewritten into a neutral point of view.
"Pollution Controversies" and vandalism
1)Not sure why the "Pollution Controversies" section was removed. It seems to me that it is notable and it was also sourced with an article from the Star-Ledger. (This is just a question...I can see that the user who made this edit made other apparently good edits, and this might be, too, am just questioning the logic since there was no explanation.)
2)Vandalism to this page is getting somewhat out of hand what with the popularity/notoriety of Jersey Shore (TV series). I'd like to propose page protection, but seeing as there are anonymous IP users here who do make good-faith edits, I wanted to suggest it here first before making a formal request for this to be done (assuming it meets the guidelines). Susan118 talk 03:27, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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