Talk:Jerusalem artichoke

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Oh Great.[edit]

I planted these like a month ago, and we've got this enormous bumper crop coming up. Now I find out they're this awful, extravagant flatuence-type thing, and they're invasive. Is there any crop more damned? I guess I'd better do the shovel thing before they make themselves at home. Banality 03:56, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

The editor who states that there is a "misconception" that JAs produce wind and hence colic, implying that the source for this misunderstanding is Gerard's herbal may not have had personal experience of consuming large quantities of this undeniably tasty and nutritious vegetable. It is without doubt highly flatogenic - if anyone wishes to see for themselves, cook and eat a kilo and within a few hours you will discover the truth Nomis62 17:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe so, but who on earth would want to eat a kilo of artichokes at a sitting? If you eat a kilo of cabbage I can assure you that you will experience even more flatulence! I have eaten artichokes frequently in reasonable quantities and never experienced flatulence from them, though I have from cabbage. Brumel (talk) 17:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I just watched a video on YouTube about sunchokes that had a grower saying that he eats a pound per day - apparently for weeks at a time. The world is full of nutters. MarkinBoston (talk) 02:27, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

In the sure and certain knowledge that personal experience count for nothing here (which is as it should be), I am wholly in agreement with Nomis62 - but only a few grammes produces an uncomfortable and anti-social effect. This outcome is of course what one might expect from a vegetable rich in inulin which the human digestive system find difficult to process but which gas producing gut in the colon find much to their liking. Try growing E. coli on an inulin medium and you will be assailed with a familiar odour!  Velella  Velella Talk   18:22, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Agreed that personal experience counts for nothing in the article itself, but this discussion does make clear that what happens varies from person to person. It seems to me that Gerard's is an extreme reaction and his very colourful account seriously unbalances the article and is likely to put off people who would otherwise grow artichokes, as is evidenced by Banality above. While the quotation should certainly be there (since Gerard was an important figure in the history of plant cultivation) it would be nice to get something more positive to balance it out. After all, if his were the only story, why would anybody bother to cultivate artichokes at all? Yet they do! It is perhaps notable that there is nothing similarly off-putting in the article on cabbage, or, for that matter, broccoli, although flatulence is mentioned in both, while flatulence is not even mentioned (so far as I can see) in the article on onions, although onions have a similar reputation when eaten in large quantities. Unfortunately I am not well-read in authorities on gardening or cooking, so I cannot make a contribution here. Brumel (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Some sources seem to imply that the longer artichokes are stored, or perhaps the longer they are frozen, the more inulin is converted to fructose. See for instance where it says "Once the tubers are stored in the ground or refrigerated, the inulin is converted to fructose and the tubers develop a much sweeter taste" or which states, "The principal storage carbohydrate in sunchokes immediately after harvest is inulin rather than starch" which implies that later on the composition changes. Since it is the inulin that is the problem, this suggests that the longer you leave the artichokes before eating them, the less they will cause flatulence. I only eat artichokes late in the UK season, i.e. late January to March, having left them in the ground until January or February. That could partly explain why I have not suffered from flatulence and others have. If anyone can find a source that states this categorically, it would be worth putting in the article.Brumel (talk) 09:13, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
The link between inulin and Flatulence seems to be the result of Fructose malabsorption a trait common in Europe. (talk) 17:45, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

They are great.[edit]

The Jerusalem Artichoke is great steamed with butter and a bit of sugar. They taste a bit like parsnips. 22:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Why no mention of the scandal?[edit]

Maybe what I posted on October 5th didn't have a perfect Wikipedia formatting (my html skills are lacking), but there most certainly was a Jerusalem Artichoke pyramid scheme in the mid 80s. My grandfather was a Lutheran pastor in Marshall, MN and had to counsel many farming families who fell victim to a rogue seed distributor. Some committed suicide as a result of their financial ruin. The seeds were sold as being the next big thing when in reality there was no market for the crop at the time. The initial farmers received some profits, but only as a result of selling seeds to other farmers who had been duped into planting large acreage of the crop. Additionally, contrary to Apokryltaros's deletion label, my post was in no way intended to be "spam". I'm not selling anything. The link was to a university website about the Jerusalem Artichoke. That website also mentioned the scandal. Hence the link. I just intended to relay an interesting (and yes, factual) story my grandfather relayed to me about this strange tuber and back it up with an external link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

You would appear to be correct, i have returned your edit and added a couple of more refs. so, in no particular order: institutional apologies from Wikipedia (there is a lot of crap to sift the good parts out of and a lot of mistakes do get made), welcome to wikipedia and hopefully you'll find other things to contribute, and you've learned one of the wikipedia secrets; if you make some noise, there's a good chance somebody will notice and hear. anyway, at very minimum, sincere thanks for the contribution. Gzuckier (talk) 06:41, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure about this pyramid scheme - I never heard of it and lived in the Mid-west at the time, and I was an avid gardener, grew Jerusalem artichokes (how I hate the name and most others too!), and lived amongst farms, and many of my friends were farmers or farmers sons and daughters. However it's even more remarkable as these plants are not grown by seed, but by tuber. They infrequently produce seeds, and those produced do not result in a true-to-type crop. That is, they do not produce plants like the parents, though they will likely be usable, the desirable qualities of a particular cultivar will not be there, much like potatoes, and many tree fruits such as apples. I do know there was a sort of fad with these plants at the time - especially with organic gardeners (which I was, though not strictly so). It seems it was a resurgence of interest as there was an earlier popularity of the plant too - I think around the WW2 years (from older farmers and gardeners stories). Now I live in UT, and they also mention this here, that is people in there 60-70's (or even older) remember the plants being really popular as kids. Also this plant is one of the few native to North America that is used world-wide (most other 'American' or New World food plants are actually native to Central or South America). — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:34, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

The nature of such scams is that they don't want too much publicity, or else people will get wise to them and/or they will garner the attention of the authorities. So, the scam usually involves an element of "keep this secret or X bad thing will happen", both to make the mark think they are in on some exclusive offer and to keep the bunco squad away. And, for a scam like this, they wouldn't want to target farmers, who would know how to evaluate the market for a particular crop, as their survival depends on it. So, individual gardeners would make a better target. Given all this, it's not that surprising that you wouldn't have heard about it. StuRat (talk) 14:46, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Source for characterization as a "pyramid scheme"?[edit]

It seems, from the way this is described, that this was not a pyramid scheme, but rather trading fraud. The difference is in the way money propagates. If the first tier farmers were required to share a portion of their seed profits with those who sold them the seed, then this is a true pyramid scheme, but if you just sell a good to someone by suggesting that they'll be able to sell some of the good to someone else, that's not a pyramid scheme. Granted, if you do so by claiming that the good will soon be listed on a commodity exchange falsely, then that's securities fraud and a whole other kind of crime, and there are various other sorts of fraud that might apply. - (talk) 18:30, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

mismatch in information about protein content?[edit]

There is an issue with the current information on this page. In the text it is written that the percentage of protein in this vegetable is 10%. However, the nutritional table indicates that for 100g of Jerusalem artichoke, the protein content is of 2g. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:25, 22 August 2015 (UTC)