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In my reading about First Ladies and their college educations, I believe that Dr. Jill is the 4th First Lady to have completed a post graduate degree, and I didn't see this mentioned in the article. If I am correct, I suggest that this achievement be added. It's cool, and I am sure she would appreciate it. Thank you. Dominy7 (talk) 23:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this has been true of four of the last five First Ladies – Hillary has a law degree, Laura Bush an MLS, Michelle Obama also a law degree, and now Dr Jill. The only recent one without is Melania, who dropped out of college to pursue modeling. So being fourth at this point isn't that remarkable. She is however the first First Lady to have any kind of doctoral degree, although the press has focused less on that and more on her being the first First Lady to hold down a real job while in the position. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:23, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're right that 4 of the last 5 doesn't seem like much; I thought 4 out of 54 was an accomplishment. Dominy7 (talk) 23:09, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
False claim: "First wife of a vice president or president to hold a salaried position during her husband's tenure"[edit]
Hillary Clinton was a senator for the final 17 days of Bill Clinton's term, making this claim not true. Can I delete this? Zsrocks04 (talk) 05:32, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, don't delete this. The meaningfulness of the claim is about holding a real job throughout most or all of a first ladyship, not some tiny fraction at the end of a tenure. Wasted Time R (talk) 11:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And yet, it's simply not true. If your claim is about the meaningfulness, I'd argue that being a senator is a hell of a lot more meaningful than community college professor. I understand your point, and I'm going to change it to "during the majority of her husbands tenure". Zsrocks04 (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. This is why Wikipedia gets its reputation for pedantry. Hillary was First Lady of the United States for 2,922 days, of which she was a U.S. Senator for 17 days. Do you see how minuscule that is? It's about half of a percent. And here's the important part. Hillary maintained her career as a lawyer throughout her time as First Lady of Arkansas, and she could have continued on with that career once she became FLOTUS. But she chose not to. By comparison, Jill Biden did choose to continue her career when she became FLOTUS, and that career has become part of her first ladyship and her public image. That's the important distinction (and despite what you seem to think, community college professors can make a real difference in people's lives). Hillary has many important firsts – first and still only FLOTUS to run for office, to serve in elective office, to serve in a cabinet position, to get a presidential nomination – but first FLOTUS to hold a paying job is not one of them. That distinction belongs solely to Jill Biden. Wasted Time R (talk) 01:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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