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why was following deleted ?[edit]
Yesterday, I added the material below It is well sourced; it is notable; I don't think it is libelous of a living person as it merely reports facts made by a news source what is wrong ? is the extensive quote an unacceptable use of material ? Did it get deleted by some format nazi ? all these problems are things that can be fixed without deleting what looks like important, notable, well sourced info
money paid to Webb family members According to Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/jim-webb-gave-nearly-100000-in-campaign-donations-to-his-family-2014-12) the born to fight PAC raised almost 1,000,000 dollars, of which 10% was paid to Webb's wife and daughter, and most of the remainder was used for over head Quote [As of 204] the Born Fighting PAC has only $69,391.84 of the nearly $1 million it received left on hand. The committee spent about $900,000....just $200,027.04 of the money... went to political candidates and groups... PACs "generally contribute 40% to 60% of the money they receive" to other candidates and groups. Born Fighting PAC seems to have had relatively high overhead even though the records show the committee did not have office space and barely employed paid staffers apart from Webb's wife and daughter. UnQuote — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.49.131.230 (talk) 16:37, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
2jan no response to above, so I put it back in if you have an issue, please let me know here
Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.49.131.230 (talk) 20:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
16 April It should not be included, not because it is incorrect, but because it is one tiny set of facts in a huge array of facts about this person and his activities, and it is pointedly negative. The only way to include it ethically is to add many, many such detailed facts, both positive and negative, to give a comprehensive view of the person. One negative set of facts in isolation constitutes bias.
COI[edit]
Webbfooter account is a WP:SPA working as of today only on this article, and edits are mostly promo/puffery, and the account has not talked to other editors on his/her talk page nor on this page. Looks very much like WP:NOTHERE. I COI-tagged the article and added the connected contributor tag here. I've also cross posted at WP:COIN. Jytdog (talk) 19:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
- Webbfooter - edits like this are why conflicted editors should not directly edit articles. you removed the citation needed tag and replaced it with a reference that supported exactly one fact in the whole paragraph. never do that again. If you do, I will get you banned from WP. Jytdog (talk) 06:07, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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- I am shocked. I thought the citation needed was for the Horan Award, which is what I gave. I am NOT trying to do anything other than that which is encyclopedia worthy. (Webbfooter (talk) 06:19, 1 March 2015 (UTC))
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- Jytdog - For the Horan award: "He graduated from the Georgetown University Law Center in 1975, having received the Horan Award for excellence in legal writing." From the reference that I posted. It actually covers a number of things stated in the wiki paragraph just in the following paragraph from it. "Webb graduated from the Naval Academy in 1968, receiving a special commendation for his leadership contributions. First in his class of 243 at the Marine Corps Officer's Basic School, he served as a rifle platoon and company commander in Vietnam and was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals and two Purple Hearts. He graduated from the Georgetown University Law Center in 1975, having received the Horan Award for excellence in legal writing." (Webbfooter (talk) 06:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC))
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- good point; that is in the source. here are statements in the paragraph that are still unsourced:
- Webb attended more than a dozen schools across the U.S. and in England.
- After graduating from high school in [[Bellevue, Nebraska]
- he attended the University of Southern California on a Navy Reserve Officer Training Corps scholarship from 1963–1964 (and was a member of Delta Chi).
- In 1964, Webb earned appointment to the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland. (note - I don't understand admissions process there - this may be the same thing as saying "he was admitted")
- At Annapolis, Webb was a member of the Brigade Honor Committee and the Brigade Staff.
- he received the Superintendent’s Letter for Outstanding Leadership
- right? Jytdog (talk) 13:32, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, an "appointment" to Annapolis is similar to being admitted to a college, but includes joining the Navy.[1] All the service academies are like that - students are active duty military. John Nagle (talk) 05:38, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
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Misc. issues[edit]
Since he's running for President, and we have a COI editor problem, we have to check everything closely. Some items needing attention:
- Is he an attorney? Probably; he went to law school, got a JD degree, and had a lawyer-type job with a committee in Congress. But we need a source.
I did some minor cleanup, but nothing substantive. But this article will need more eyes on it. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 04:05, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Attention Requested[edit]
I would like to respectfully request that the flags on this page be removed. I am not doing any editing, so any conflict of interest or neutrality issues have been settled. I have been told that I can make requests and suggestions on this page.
As Jytdog knows, I am related to Jim Webb, but not to his committee or politics nor do I live in his state. (And I am a she, btw.) I had noticed that Jim's Wikipedia article was pretty hodgepodge and missing a good introduction WP:LEAD and some important information, so not realizing that those related to an individual were not allowed to make edits, I did some editing and adding with references. Afterwards, I thought his introduction appeared more like others of his stature. Recently, five paragraphs of the LEAD were deleted, and some important information (and edits by others) went with it.
To omit factual information is detrimental to an encyclopedic article. He has had many achievements and recognitions which should be included, therefore, I would like to suggest that the encyclopedic information be returned to the introduction. Secondly, yes, to the question above, he was a lawyer, not in private practice, but passed the Bar and was a full Council to the House Veterans Affairs Committee before he became Assistant Secretary of Defense. Also, concerning my term "noted author" that was changed, two of his books have been nominated for the Pulitzer Prize and there is today an award given by the Marine Corps Heritage Foundation entitled The James Webb Award for distinguished fiction book dealing with the US Marines or Marine Corps life. [1]
Would someone kindly consider adding the following:
1. In the introduction, someone changed Congressional Counsel to congressional staffer. I would suggest replacing it with Counsel to the House Veterans Affairs Committee, because that was his title.
2. I would suggest this as part of the introduction summary. This paragraph is all true and encyclopedic: Webb graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1968, receiving a special commendation for his leadership contributions. He was first in his class of 243 at the Marine Corps Officer's Basic School, served as a rifle platoon company commander in Vietnam and was awarded the Navy Cross, the Silver Star Medal, two Bronze Star Medals and two Purple Heart Medals. He graduated from the Georgetown University Law Center in 1975, having received the Horan Award for excellence in legal writing.[2][3][4]
3. Webb served Congress as counsel to the House Committee on Veterans Affairs from 1977 to 1981. In 1984 he was appointed to be the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs, and in 1987 became Secretary of the Navy. He also was a Fall 1992 Fellow at Harvard University’s Institute of Politics.
4. All of the introduction that I wrote and that was deleted is true and can be referenced. Would someone possibly like to pull it up and test it for neutrality? I could provide more references (they are easy to find).
5. Here is a quote from an article that is good for your personal information and because of media attempts to shape him as an ineffective or "only a one term Senator"
Webb has been unusually effective for a freshman senator. Part of his effectiveness, I’ve been told by other senators, is that he is one of the very few whom the others really listen to— because of both his credibility on military issues and his powerful intellect. Republican Chuck Hagel, who isn’t spendthrift with his praise of colleagues, says, “I think Jim Webb is one of the smartest guys I’ve ever known. He has an ability to think through issues; not many here do.” Hagel and Webb have known each other for almost thirty years; along with John McCain they formed the first cohort of Vietnam veterans to serve as aides on Capitol Hill. Hagel continued: He questions, he probes, he thinks through the consequences—we almost never do. We take an action—like going to war—without thinking. He listens. He’s not a blowhard; he’ll hang back and he’ll listen. He’s actually kind of shy, kind of quiet. And then Hagel added, “He has courage. That’s a rare commodity in the business of politics.”[5] Webbfooter (talk) 06:35, 28 January 2015 (UTC)Webbfooter
- ^ http://www.marineheritage.org/awards.asp
- ^ http://caaspeakers.com/jim-webb/?print
- ^ http://projects.militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/recipient.php?recipientid=4226
- ^ http://news.virginia.edu/content/2014-thomas-jefferson-foundation-medals-will-go-toyo-ito-kenneth-feinberg-jim-webb
- ^ http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2008/jun/26/the-jim-webb-story/
- Thanks for posting here! The COI tag shouldn't come off the article until somebody goes through the whole article and reviews it for WP:NPOV and WP:VERIFY. Until then, readers need to be aware that there might be bias in the article. That will take time and it will take a volunteer editor (as we all are) coming by and doing that. I will try to get to it over the next week, and will consider your proposals above too. Thanks again. Jytdog (talk) 13:14, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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- Thank you. Am I allowed to add references or add a page number to a reference? (Webbfooter (talk) 05:22, 29 January 2015 (UTC))
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- Again, to omit factual information is detrimental to an encyclopedic article. The Lead (as adjusted by deleting five paragraphs) doesn't summarize his life and now, someone--possibly as vandalism--has omitted that he is a graduate of the US Naval Academy as well as a graduate of Georgetown Law Center in the side panel. I feel some frustration watching this page being picked at like a carcass. I know the facts and I didn't try to embellish them, and now I'm not sure if I can reverse the changes made. They are factually wrong. (Webbfooter (talk) 02:59, 5 February 2015 (UTC))
Error in dates of marriage to Jo Ann Krukar Webb[edit]
The dates of the marriage are Aril 11 1981 to April 4 2005. The date is in error. It is listed as 2004. Please correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.159.144.75 (talk) 15:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- can you provide a reliable source for that date? thx. Jytdog (talk) 15:53, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
- Jytdog, I didn't write the above, but it is correct and is the date listed, however, when you google his name, on the side of the page it has the wrong date. (Webbfooter (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC))
- The infobox says "April 11 1981 to April 4 2004." I will just put a citation needed tag on it. Jytdog (talk) 05:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- What kind of citation would one need here? (Webbfooter (talk) 05:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC))
- How about a good, old-fashioned reliable source, like a newspaper article, that verifies that the marriage ended on such and such a date? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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- exactly. i looked a bit and couldn't find it - it must be out there... Jytdog (talk) 13:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- I looked for some record online, but couldn't find anything. I misspoke above, 2004 IS the correct year, though. I have an email from him which states it.(Webbfooter (talk) 05:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC))
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- An email from him is not a reliable source. There is no way for a reader of this article to look at your private emails or verify that they are accurate. Please furnish a reliable source. Alternatively, we can remove mention of the date the marriage ended. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:10, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
- I agree, I was just saying that it was in 2004 (on this talk page)--up above it reads like I meant it was 2005. (Webbfooter (talk) 06:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC))
- An email from him is not a reliable source. There is no way for a reader of this article to look at your private emails or verify that they are accurate. Please furnish a reliable source. Alternatively, we can remove mention of the date the marriage ended. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:10, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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- I looked for some record online, but couldn't find anything. I misspoke above, 2004 IS the correct year, though. I have an email from him which states it.(Webbfooter (talk) 05:50, 5 March 2015 (UTC))
- exactly. i looked a bit and couldn't find it - it must be out there... Jytdog (talk) 13:10, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
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- How about a good, old-fashioned reliable source, like a newspaper article, that verifies that the marriage ended on such and such a date? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- What kind of citation would one need here? (Webbfooter (talk) 05:52, 1 March 2015 (UTC))
- The infobox says "April 11 1981 to April 4 2004." I will just put a citation needed tag on it. Jytdog (talk) 05:31, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
- Jytdog, I didn't write the above, but it is correct and is the date listed, however, when you google his name, on the side of the page it has the wrong date. (Webbfooter (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC))
Questionable deletion.[edit]
Please check this large deletion.[2]. The editor who deleted it claims the cite does not support the statement. If unjustified, please revert. I'm just mentioning this because it's a big deletion of cited material and there have been COI problems here before. John Nagle (talk) 05:29, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
RFC about whether presidential candidacy belongs in lead paragraph[edit]
Talk:Rick_Perry#RFC_about_whether_his_presidential_candidacy_should_be_mentioned_in_the_lead_paragraphAnythingyouwant (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2015 (UTC)
Justification of text in second half of article[edit]
Why is (roughly) the second half of this article centered as opposed to left-justified? I realize it's mere personal preference, but I find centered text much less readable than left-justified text. 173.197.145.14 (talk) 14:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- That is annoying. Looks like a recent edit broke the formatting - I fixed it.--Mojo Hand (talk) 19:19, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Democratic[edit]
Still a member of the Democratic party?94.211.104.84 (talk) 23:01, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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