Talk:Johann Sebastian Bach

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Lutheran chorale[edit]

I wiki-linked to recitative and da capo aria. I think both "Lutheran" as "chorale" may not be known to readers of this basic article, in "The Lutheran chorale was the basis of much of his work. In elaborating these hymns into his chorale preludes, he wrote more cogent and tightly integrated works than most, even when they were massive and lengthy." This has a "citation required" tag, but is also far from clear, at least to me. Can we first say that he used hymn tunes in chorale preludes and as cantus firmus, that he used hymn stanzas for context in his cantatas, oratorios and passions, and that he wrote complete cantatas dedicated to one hymn? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:53, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Both "Lutheran" and "chorale" have been linked in the article before arriving at the "Musical style" section.
Added to the problems mentioned by Gerda, I'm also not sure why this is in the "Musical style" section: "religious" is not a musical style; and inasmuch as Lutheran chorales indicate a style (e.g. their characteristic "Stollen") it is not explained (and probably too detaillistic for the general Bach biography page) how that influenced Bach's style (there are studies about that, but imho too specialist-technical for some general considerations on Bach's style). Similarly, neither "massive" nor "lengthy" are as such "musical style" characteristics. Pachelbel and Buxtehude had written "massive" and "lengthy" organ pieces, it doesn't explain anything about the specifics of Bach's style to qualify his compositions as massive an lengthy – besides, some of his chorale preludes are quite short and modest compared to those of some of his contemporaries and predecessors.
In short, I'd lift descriptions of "religious music" as a "musical style" from that section (the verifiability of such analogies appears tenuous), and instead elaborate in the biographical section what Lutheranism and the Lutheran chorale meant for Bach, where these topics are mentioned earlier on. --Francis Schonken (talk) 10:48, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Tone of "Musical Style."[edit]

The overview in the musical style section seems to be written languidly by someone thoroughly unimpressed by the composer. It contrasts markedly with similar sections concerning other composers. Should be more focused on critical reception and more thoroughly cited. Thoughts? 216.49.181.251 (talk) 21:41, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Re. "... similar sections concerning other composers..." - I looked at the pages of some of his prominent contemporaries (Telemann, Handel, Domenico Scarlatti), and couldn't find a separate section describing their musical style: can you clarify what you see as an exemplary treatment of the musical style of a composer? Please point us to some biographical articles where it is done the way you think it should be done here. Francis Schonken (talk) 08:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Nomination for merging of Template:Bach cantatas[edit]

Template:Bach cantatas has been nominated for merging with Template:Cantatas, motets and oratorios by BWV number. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:57, 20 August 2016 (UTC)