Talk:John Jacob Astor

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His demise[edit]

No mention of his death in the article.

dagger29 18:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

did he die on the titanic? What an intelligent question? Most Americans believe that everything is possible in America, but surely not that a man born 1763 lived until 1912. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.224.245.141 (talk) 14:45, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm...I think he does according to the musical, but that wouldent be a reliable source. I'll look up some biographical stuff and post it on this article later. If anybody wants to help, please do so. 70.132.201.55 01:16, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Actually, after research, he did not die on the titanic. It was a latter descendant of his, though this is confusing at first since they share the same name... In fact, none of his children lived to see the "launching" of the Titanic.Ageofe 02:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Astor died in 1848. The Titanic sank in 1911 or 1912 or so. There was an Astor, and several other millionarires, on the Titanic--in fact, it was frequently called a Millionaire's Special. Two Guggenheims, Levi Strauss (who owned Macy's), and of course the unsinkable Molly Brown. N.B.--Elias Hasket Derby of Salem is usually referred to as America's first millionaire. Like Astor, he made his boodle in the China trade. Astor was, at the time of his death, undisputably the richest American.24.48.198.181 03:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Tayer4573@Yahoo.com

John Jacob Astor IV (his Grandson) died on the Titanic not this one. John Jacob Astor IV was the´great-grandson of John Jacob Astor I. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.224.245.141 (talk) 14:47, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

His "bad" side[edit]

I am from Washington State, and I remember from school that Astor was actually a pretty horrible guy. He wanted to (and attempted to) do some pretty wild stuff like generate unrest in the oregon territories so that he could set up his own kingdom (in what is now the pacific northwest) with himself as king.

Prior to that, he also had a dream to setup his own city-state in what is now niagra falls.

He never did anything charitable in his life (with one exception in the next paragraph), and indeed was known for being ruthless and essentially "greedy"

Ultimatly, when all his plans of domination didnt pan out, he did commission one "charitable" work, a library dedicated to himself and his works.

SO, this is what i remember reading about Astor, so if someone feels like digging for verifiable citations regarding this, go for it.

--JayTau 02:00, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Dear JayTau! I think you should sue your school in Washington State and the teacher who taught you that nonsense. Why don't you check up the facts. Astor tried to found a city in Wisconsin, not in the Niagra Falls area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.224.245.141 (talk) 14:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Newer ranking on Wealth[edit]

The newest Forbes rankings state he was the fourth wealthiest American ever. It was a minor change but I made, although I'm afraid the citation I made is sub-par. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.174.15 (talk) 16:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Was Astor Jewish?[edit]

In an edit on 20 December 2007, 14:07 the claim of a Jewish origin for Astor was made. I couldn't verify this, but found an article which might settle this issue:

Maybe someone with access to JSTOR can check this? --S.K. (talk) 15:37, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

No, Astor was not Jewish. Please refer to Lucy Kavaler's, The Astor's: A Chronicle of Pomp and Power and Derek Wilson's, The Astor's: Landscape with Millionaires. His father was of Anglo-Saxon Christianity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.1.188 (talk) 02:39, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Why not go to the sources - the Church Records? Johann Jacob Astor (1763-1848) was baptised in the Reformed Church of Walldorf in 1763, his father Johann Jacob Astor (1724-1816) war Reformed, his mother Maria Magdalena vom Berg was Lutheran, both married on April 15, 1749 in the Reformed Church in Walldorf. WieWa Nov. 8, 2010

Did he steal his wealth from the Emerick's?[edit]

Media:http://genforum.genealogy.com/emrich/messages/88.html

-Some distant grandson of John Nicholas Emerick.

Confusing paragraph[edit]

One paragraph reads:

"In 1804, Astor purchased from Aaron Burr what remained of a 99-year lease on property in Manhattan. At the time, Burr was serving as vice president under Thomas Jefferson and desperately needed the purchase price of $62,500. The lease was to run until 1 May 1806. Astor began subdividing the land into nearly 250 lots and subleased them. His conditions were that the tenant could do whatever they wish with the lots for twenty-one years, after which they must renew the lease or Astor would take back the lot."

That confuses me. If the 99-year lease he purchased expired on May 1, 1806, how was he selling leases for 21 years starting in 1804? Did he renew the 99-year lease? Dewey Finn (talk) 00:00, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

OK, I found an article from the New York Times of October 16, 1911 that said the 99-year lease expired in 1866. I'll update the article. Dewey Finn (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Different Individuals[edit]

John Jacob Astor I and John Jacob Astor II both redirect to this page. The dates given at the top of the article match John Jacob Astor I. Clearly, this needs to be fixed. Someone with the proper resources needs to go through and verify content as to which John Jacob Astor it goes with, and split it properly between John Jacob Astor and John Jacob Astor II. If both were commonly referred to as John Jacob Astor then a note at the top directing to the entry for the son needs to be made.JohnBobMead (talk) 02:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Opium smuggling[edit]

I think the allegation of opium smuggling needs more support. Is it only Front Line? Well they must have their references, and it would be good to know those. One short paragraph on a web page seems insufficient. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 21:52, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

May as well remove "smuggling" from overview due to lack of support. After quickly searching him and opium, it doesn't seem to be so much of him "smuggling" as it was simply exchanging/selling it. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:19, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Republican Party?[edit]

In the sidebar it states his political party affiliation as Republican, how is this possible seeing how he died in 1848, and the Republican party was not founded until 1854, 6 years after his death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.42.216.41 (talk) 01:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done removed. Fat&Happy (talk) 02:43, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

New Source[edit]

The German Historical Institute has published a short biographical article on John Jacob Astor that can be found here: http://www.immigrantentrepreneurship.org/entry.php?rec=6 Immigrantentrep (talk) 15:03, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

References in popular culture[edit]

In adding this section with just a single reference, I suggest that other contributors add other references they are aware of, as this greatly adds to the value of the entry. PaulJCompton (talk) 15:06, 8 September 2013 (UTC)PaulJCompton

Requesting protection[edit]

Since this article has experienced multiple instances of disruptive edits and vandalism, I am requesting that the page be protected. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)