Talk:John Paul the Great Catholic University

Removal of section: Dr. Jeremiah Jackson

The section on Dr. Jackson was removed citing notability guidelines. However, as described on WP:NN, "notability guidelines only outline how suitable a topic is for its own article. They do not directly limit the content of articles." Dr. Jackson would not merit his own article but within the scope of John Paul the Great Catholic University he is a notable subject. Citing WP:UNDUE is also misplaced, as those guidelines refer more to point of view issues than content issues. I have replaced the section within the article. SHarold (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The paragraph is not WP:TOPIC. The article is about the school, not individuals. Normally only the president is mentioned and then not by resume. It is also a bit WP:UNDUE in any event. At Harvard, Nobel prize winning professors are relegated to a forked page! Student7 (talk) 22:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Harvard's page has forked articles because the university is centuries old with thousands of current faculty and students, not to mention tens of thousands of alumni, former students & faculty! This university is only a few years old with a much smaller article. Every university is different, and there's no set template for what is or is not included in an article on a school. I'm going to revert the section but prune it a bit. I'm not sure why this is an issue, really - the article is relatively small to begin with, and there's no harm leaving a bit of extra information. I would understand if this article were oversized and in desperate need of editing, but as it is I don't think it's unwieldy to leave in this paragraph. SHarold (talk) 16:53, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I guess I missed the point. The insertion of a teachers credentials is off WP:TOPIC. The topic is the university. It is not the individual teachers nor the students nor the alum either. Sometimes one liners are inserted for really notable alum (with an article, in other words). It just isn't done. Anyplace.

You could create an article for this guy. Then, if and only if, the Wikipedia world likes the article (they have to agree with notability), then and only then, could you add one line under a small subsection labeled "notable teachers." I don't recommend this because the article is supposed to be about the college. Not about athletes or anybody. I do not make these guideline up. They have been argued out a long time before I arrived as an editor. Student7 (talk) 22:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I understand what you are saying but I still think you are off the mark. Articles on universities talk about history, buildings, campuses, finances, traditions, clubs, organizations - in short, all the things that make up a university. One of these are the various people involved with a school. Large universities, with articles that run 60+ KB, need separate sections and forked pages because they have so many faculty members and alumni. This school however is new and small enough that it makes sense to include mentions of faculty within the main article. Creating forked articles would be more in danger of violating WP:NN. Like I pointed out before, though, WP:NN regulates the creation of separate articles and not content within articles that are already established as notable.

Again, it's not doing any harm to have this information included in the article. It's not WP:UNDUE or off WP:TOPIC if you think of a school as a collection of people rather than buildings or endowments. Perhaps there are guidelines written somewhere on what content should be included in university articles?

We really need to resolve this issue; I've already tried to compromise by editing and shortening the section. This back-and-forth isn't really going anywhere. SHarold (talk) 06:43, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

There are useful "walls" around articles in Wikipedia. This is to ensure that we stick to the WP:TOPIC and an article (say) about the Franks does not wind up discussing a Frank to duplicate matter that should be elsewhere and similarly a wall around Charlemagne so that history prior and after his life are not reproduced there, requiring extensive updating every time there is a change somewhere else. It simplifies editing to stick to one topic and having most of the information on that topic in one place.

This topic is about JP the Great. It is not about a faculty member who might have his own article. Even if he gets the Nobel Prize, it should not be about the faculty member. And I don't believe he has been awarded a Nobel yet. Student7 (talk) 13:39, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

External Links

I re-inserted the official facebook page - WP:ELNO no. 10, footnote 2 says that "a link to a social networking site may be included when it is an official website for a business, organization, or person." Also, "more than one official website should be listed only when the additional links provide unique content and are not prominently linked from other official websites." The facebook page is an official page of the university and is updated with unique content that distinguishes it from the school's main website. SHarold (talk) 23:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)