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Another source with the same text is:

  • A visitation of the seats and arms of the noblemen and gentlemen ..., Volume 2, By Bernard Burke, p. 57

-- PBS (talk) 17:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 15 November 2020

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus -- JHunterJ (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]


– Although the John Pyne (disambiguation) page has only two WP:DABMENTIONs and one other entry {John Pyne (16th century MP)}, there is no indication that the 17th century MP has sufficient historical notability to force the attachment of "(disambiguation)" to the base name. The "See also" John Pine may well be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, but instances of differently-spelled primaries are rare, with one recent example being Frankie Howard (footballer)/Frankie Howerd. If MOS suggests the hyphenated forms "(16th-century MP)/(17th-century MP)" then, of course, I support using hyphens. — Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 00:48, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If arguments are put forth, with no consensus emerging (as in the case of John Nutt (disambiguation) or David Jack (disambiguation)) that the John Pyne dab page does indeed have a primary topic, then the argument for primary would seem to be in favor of the "See also" entry listing the differently [commonly] spelled engraver, rather than the historically obscure 17th-century Poole MP.
As for Frankie Howard (footballer)/Frankie Howerd, the nomination there contends that those searching for the comedian would simply type "Frankie Howerd" and arrive at the desired article, thus making the hatnote atop the comedian's entry — "Frankie Howard" redirects here. For the English footballer, see Frankie Howard (footballer). For the American politician, see Frankie Howard (Louisiana politician). — superfluous since, unlike those searching for John Pyne who would type the standard spelling "John Pine", no one searching for the footballer or the politician would type the non-standard spelling "Frankie Howerd".
On the other hand, those mistyping the comedian's name as "Howard", would arrive at the footballer's page, where the actually necessary hatnote — "For the comedian, see Frankie Howerd. For the American Frankie Howard, see Frank Howard (Louisiana politician). — would sort out any confusion. —Roman Spinner (talkcontribs) 04:27, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.