Talk:John Roberts

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Wrong Country Name[edit]

I changed the birthplace of John Roberts Great-Grandparents to Slovakia because Czecho-Slovakia did not exist at the time. The linked information cites 1886 as the date John Roberts Grand-Parent, Jacob Podrasky, immigrated. This is a common mistake but, by using Czecho-Slovakia one cannot be sure the family emigrated from Slovakia. They may be Moravian, Bohemian or even Polish. I mailed the author of the citation as well. 24.5.109.189 (talk) 06:05, 11 January 2011 (UTC)gthistle

When your edit showed up on my watchlist without a summary just as I was about to shut down the laptop and go to sleep last night, I reflexively reverted. This morning, I modified the phrasing a bit, since as you point out above there is no indication as to which of the component parts of "Czechoslovakia" his ancestors were from, so we can't just assume Slovakia. I also question the entire sentence, based in part on discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard, and wonder whether we might be better living without this non-critical claim if a more reliable source can't be found. Fat&Happy (talk) 17:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Glover[edit]

Is it pronounced like "clover" or like "lover" or like something else entirely? 68.35.40.154 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:56, 16 April 2011 (UTC).

I don't see the duties of a Chief Justice in this article[edit]

Specifically, what kind of duties does a Chief justice have that are different from other justices of the supreme court? 98.193.210.17 (talk) 01:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't belong in the Roberts article. See instead Chief Justice of the United States.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Electoral reform[edit]

An IP-hopping editor has been re-adding claims that there "is criticism" of his "judicial activism" on Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, and attaching the title "electoral reform". The article is the criticism, and only criticizes his decision and argument on that case. I think something could be done, but I'm not going to add it, because I don't feel it's relevant. Almost all decisions get criticized by somebody. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:04, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

It appears I was wrong. The article says he (and the entire majority) was/were criticized for "judicial activism" in one of the dissenting opinions. It's still not relevant. You can find notable criticism of any opinion by a Justice. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 04:46, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
The above appears to be in reference to the Electoral reform in the United States item ...

Roberts has been criticized of judicial activism regarding the process surrounding the Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission decision in a May 2012 article in The New Yorker.<ref>Money Unlimited; How Chief Justice John Roberts orchestrated the Citizens United decision (May 21, 2012) New Yorker</ref>

99.181.142.87 (talk) 07:22, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

No, it doesn't. It refers to Citizens United, not electoral reform. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:53, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Article needs to be locked down[edit]

Media are already reporting that someone vandalized this article and added the word "coward" to the infobox. Obviously it was taken down but I predict more and worse to come. If an admin is reading this I strongly recommend putting a lock on the article until emotions die down. 70.72.215.252 (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I've requested protection for this article. Bms4880 (talk) 15:32, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 June 2012[edit]

Someone put "Chief Traitor of the United States" instead of "Chief Justice" below his picture. It's inaccurate, and disrespectful. 50.115.70.50 (talk) 17:00, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Fixed ...while you were typing this. Dru of Id (talk) 17:20, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Protection[edit]

The wrong version of the article has been successfully protected.

I've just fully protected this page for one day because of the edit war that broke out this afternoon. Please discuss proposed changes here instead of edit warring (see WP:BRD), you may consider dispute resolution steps, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:42, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Also see the relevant thread on my talk page, here. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
Here's the full thread to the discussion on Mark Arsten's talk page, instead of just one diff, so you can see the whole discussion.--76.189.108.102 (talk) 22:00, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Opening needs tweaking[edit]

"He has been described as having a conservative judicial philosophy in his jurisprudence." Comes just after another "having", too, and it's clunky anyway.

Perhaps "His judicial philosophy has been described as conservative." The readers will wonder what the difference is between jurisprudence and judicial philosophy. Tony (talk) 01:23, 25 August 2012 (UTC) PS I responded to a query on my talk page about other grammatical issues. Tony (talk) 01:24, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Great suggestion, Tony. Much better. Logical and straightforward. --76.189.108.102 (talk) 04:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Seconding Tony on the current "having been" wording being clearer about the causality than "and was". The other contested edits seem fairly minor, but "death" seems more appropriately formal than "died", and "after admission" seems unnecessarily technical compared to "after being admitted" (the former making it clear that "admission to the bar" is something that happened to Roberts, rather than an unrelated event). I don't see that any of these edits particularly remove any "weak and passive verb constructions", as the original IP suggested. --McGeddon (talk) 09:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Tony's a great writer. Regarding death/died, Wikipedia says the more direct and less formal "died" is recommended over the more passive "death" or "passed away." Straightforward vs. formal language is always preferred for the enyclopedia. :) --76.189.108.102 (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Withdrawn by requesting editor. bd2412 T 23:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

John RobertsJohn Roberts (judge) – Too many notable John Roberts. No evidence this one is the primary topic. People are also interested in the actor and the journalist. I can't think of a perfect disambiguation for this one at the moment, so suggestions are welcome. Beerest355 Talk 20:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

  • You're probably right, but can you give us some evidence? --BDD (talk) 23:58, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
  • After checking some stats, here's what I found. I didn't look at every Roberts there is, just the ones the nom indicates people are most interested in.
  • The judge has 69549 page views in the last 90 days.
  • The actor has 21560 page views in the last 90 days.
  • The journalist has 10104 page views in the last 90 days.
  • The nominator didn't talk about this, but I feel it's worth noting: the DAB has 1823 page views in the last 90 days.
I'm inclined to oppose this proposal. This Roberts is Chief Justice of the United States and the page views pretty much favor him. It is a very common name, but that's not a reason to move. Taylor Trescott - my talk + my edits 00:22, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose. There is no comparison. Pageviews are not the only measure. A Chief Justice of the United States is inherently going to be of substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than most any actor or journalist - and the actor and journalist in this case are not exactly a Laurence Olivier and an Edward R. Murrow. bd2412 T 00:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose being CJOTUS is a pretty big deal. The pageview numbers only reinforce that. Hot Stop talk-contribs 01:03, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose per BD2412. A SCOTUS chief is going to have more enduring notability. Bms4880 (talk) 02:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Now I see why this is at the undisambiguated page. Thank you for your comments. BDD or BD2412, since you are administrators, can you close the move request? I'd like to withdraw it. Thanks, Beerest355 Talk 22:58, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Wife's Roman Catholic affiliation.[edit]

Not sourced, not relevant (?), and maybe POV? Not removing it, but asking editors to evaluate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dosware (talkcontribs) 01:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it is sourced near the end of the cited NYT article, but I tend to agree that the way it is currently just dropped in, it doesn't seem too relevant. Fat&Happy (talk) 03:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

"Traditional" vs "Conservative" vs No Descriptor Included[edit]

As an uninvolved editor, I'm opening this discussion thread, in an attempt to gain consensus for one of these two words. There appears to be something of a slow motion edit war beginning to swirl over the wording, and I'd like to nip this in the bud, if possible. Note: I come into this discussion with a completely open mind, and am willing to be convinced either way. LHMask me a question 15:26, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

"Traditional" is quite apparently not POV, whilst "conservative" without a specific secondary reliable source for the exact usage might be considered POV. It is the onus of the person seeking that change to obtainWP:CONSENSUS for it per policy. See WP:BRD etc. BTW, this is not about a person being politically "conservative" or not but rather specifically about his approach to Federalism. Collect (talk) 12:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • To play devil's advocate to your argument, how is "traditional" not POV? What I mean by this is, the opposite of "traditional" is what? Non-traditional? Isn't that, at least slightly, a POV-ish formulation? Meanwhile, it could be argued that "conservative" and "liberal" (or "progressive", perhaps) are simply descriptors. Taking off the devil's advocate hat for a minute, I guess what I'm asking is why you see "traditional" as "quite apparently not POV." While I can be persuaded to see it as less POV than "conservative", I don't think it's as obvious of a case as you present it to be. LHMask me a question 14:10, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I originally reverted the change from traditional to conservative because, on its face, the change was more POV than the existing word. However, I noted that there was no citation for either characterization or that there had been a change from the "past". I've therefore just changed the article to be completely neutral and just quote what he said in the interview. Unless we can cite something to describe his views in a particular way and that they had changed (from when?), we should leave it neutral and let the quote speak for itself. Anything else is WP:OR.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

  • I can certainly see some advantages to this approach. I had considered doing so myself, but decided instead to open this discussion thread. I am also changing the thread title accordingly, to reflect the existence of three primary options. LHMask me a question 14:30, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
  • As the editor who are the original change form "tradition;" to "conservative" I am fully satisfied with your edit, which avoids the use of normative linage (i.e. as if anyone who didn't accept Roberts views on jurisprudence or Federalism as being non-traditional. Well done. Lestatdelc (talk) 01:38, 16 October 2014 (UTC)