Talk:John Tate

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By the way, the Japanese interwiki here looks to be to another John Tate.

Charles Matthews 16:12, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Removing that, see John Tate (boxer). Charles Matthews 16:17, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Kozel-Tate Derivation[edit]

This topic has been a requested topic for over 2 years and it is not even mentioned in an article about one of the mathematicians behind it. Should it be? Will the article ever be created? Who Knows... - Tompsci 23:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

personal life?[edit]

is tate married? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Some personal information has been added, but I think the source isn't really reliable enough. He may no longer be married. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)


Why the move to Texas after so long at Harvard? Tibetologist (talk) 10:41, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

That would be speculation about the topic of the article, rather than improvement of the article. He turned 65 that year, and anyone can guess that this might be the occasion to move. Charles Matthews (talk) 13:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Tate pairing[edit]

I think the article should mention what is known as "Tate pairing", which I think is first described in J. Tate, "WC-pairings over p-adic fields", Sem. Bourbaki, no.156, 1957, p.13, and later in "Applications of Galois Cohomology in Algebraic Structures" (1959). Tate pairings have important applications in identity-based encryption (cryptography). Does somebody know more about this? Nageh (talk) 08:56, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

There is an article on the Weil pairing. Some care is needed: for crypto, it seems, "Tate pairing" can mean the abelian variety version of the Weil pairing (e.g. [1]); and while this is not completely different from the pairing on Galois cohomology, it is not quite the same either. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
According to this, it seems as though the "Tate pairing" that has applications to crypto is actually due to Frey and Rück (and it is not the Weil pairing). It is a pairing in finite characteristic inspired by a pairing due to Tate over p-adic fields. RobHar (talk) 00:38, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


The page lists five doctoral students. But the Mathematics Genealogy Project lists forty. I think we should list all forty, or none at all. Which is more appropriate? Hanche (talk) 13:36, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

It's fairly common on wikipedia to list only the students that are somehow deemed notable enough. RobHar (talk) 14:12, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Okay. But still, the choice seems a bit random. Three of the five do not have their own wikipedia pages yet. And the one student at the genealogy with the most descendants, Benedict Gross (64 descendants – surely, that is in itself notable?) does have a wikipedia page. I am not sufficiently familiar with Tate and his mathematics to decide which of his students is notable enough to get listed, so I'll keep out of it. But it does seem that the list could use some editing. Hanche (talk) 15:13, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, most of the time the choice of who is listed seems strange and should be improved, I merely meant to convey that rather than listing all or none, what is typical is listing some. I don't actually know if there is a related guideline. You could ask around at related wikiprojects (and I certainly think Gross should be added). Best, RobHar (talk) 15:50, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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