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Transcendence not in acting career 2003 - present[edit]

How is his best ever film not mentioned in this section?


How come there's no mention of the charities Depp supports and the charitable acts he's done? Yousef Akrouf (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

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Wait, how does time work?[edit]

Sorry to deflate someone's premise, but can I fix a little continuity here? "He rose to prominence on the 1980s television series 21 Jump Street, becoming a teen idol. Since then, [emphasis mine] Depp has taken on challenging and "larger-than-life" roles, starting with [me again] a supporting role in Oliver Stone's Vietnam War film Platoon in 1986" -- yeah, except that Platoon came out the year before 21 Jump Street started.BrianAshe (talk) 00:29, 31 August 2015 (UTC)


How far away is too far away? I mean he is technically African American but in that same token I'm technically Hispanic (Spanish). Does it matter, does any ancestry count? I'm really confused. The categories don't specify so I guess if you can trace your ancestry to Muhammad, no matter how minimal, you're Arab American I guess.

On the other hand, the Category:American people of Cherokee descent category specifies people who identify as Cherokee descended, regardless of how true it is. So he does fit the description. Also, is all Cherokee ancestry documented? Could something like transracial adoption mess up the records? I guess Johnny Depp and Rachel Dolezal are example of how our racial classification thing is flawed.

Sorry if I make no sense. I just have a lot of questions though. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 08:40, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

If we go by the recent African origin of modern humans ("out of Africa") theory, then everyone is African. However, society does not classify everyone with some African decent as African; this is true, for example, in the case of the United States, even though it still socially follows the one-drop rule (for example, Barack Obama simply being called "the first African American president" instead of "the first biracial American president" or the "first multiracial American president"). Because of that, and the fact that Johnny Depp is not usually classified as African American, I reverted you on this addition. I also removed non-WP:Reliable sources from the Ancestry section, as seen here and here; this is a WP:BLP article, and that material should have never been added. I'm considering addressing the Ancestry section at the WP:BLP noticeboard. Flyer22 (talk) 09:18, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
What counts. I changed it to Category:African-American people because it says in Category:American people of African descent "Individuals should be categorized by the appropriate sub-category." I assumed it was one of those categories that should be populated only by subcategories. Technically anybody with any traceable Black African ancestry is African American; anybody with traceable European, Middle Eastern or North African ancestry is white American, etc. I know Depp's not Black, but does that mean he's not African American? There will be confusion until there are rules. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 09:27, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
It's really not that confusing. Depp is not African-American. He is a white guy who found a distant ancestor.
The rule of thumb on the articles I've worked on is that if someone with significant blood is clearly a part of that cultural community, they are generally considered to be that ethnicity... IF we have reliable sources that make it clear that the undisputed members of that ethnicity claim them. But if they only have distant heritage, and were not raised in that community, and don't really participate in it now, they are someone who only has "descent". It's different.
Clearly Depp is not African-American. People really do not go by the one-drop rule anymore, and he had to have his genealogy done as an adult to even find out that he had that one ancestor.
Yes, the Cherokee are far more documented than white people or African-Americans. Cherokee identity is also not about ethnicity, personal identification or feelings. It's a legal status, based on citizenship in a sovereign nation. - CorbieV 18:56, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
How recent must an ancestor of a given ethnicity be for someone to be classified as a member of that ethnicity (in terms of Wikipedia categorisation)? Grandparent? Great-grandparent? —Flax5 19:10, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
CorbieVreccan, stating that "People really do not go by the one-drop rule anymore" is not entirely true, which is why I made this edit summary at the One-drop rule article and this edit above. Flyer22 (talk) 23:29, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
There have been various disputes at the Barack Obama article and talk page relating to the one-drop rule, which is why the lead of that article currently has a WP:Hidden note, stating, "PLEASE DO not CHANGE OBAMA'S RACE FROM 'AFRICAN AMERICAN', per existing consensus. See discussions and FAQ (Q2) on the talk page." Various public figures, such as Halle Berry, have also discussed how the one-drop rule is still socially in effect. See this ABC News source. Flyer22 (talk) 23:37, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Yes, given those examples in particular, I agree that we have a version of the one drop rule that still exists for some (? many?) people, but it seems to me to have shifted significantly - more to perception than precise, distant ancestry, with subjective peceptions given the most weight - individuals thinking the person in question does or doesn't "look Black" or "seem Black." I don't think most of mainstream society pays as much attention to small, distant amounts of heritage as they used to, but that can vary extremely based on where someone lives, and how much people may, erm, have issues around it. Anyway, what matters is what we can source well. I'm not really sure why this is even an issue, really, I think Carter is the only person I've ever encountered who tried to claim Johnny Depp is Black. Or whatever it is that's going on here. *shrugs* - CorbieV 00:08, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree...with all of that. Flyer22 (talk) 00:53, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
@CorbieVreccan: He technically is African American. The one drop rule is racist but it is how most definitions of African American seem to operate. An African American is defined as an American who has African ancestry; the definitions never give a blood quantum or a cultural element. I never claimed he was Black; he is obviously white. But I can't come up with a definition of African American that excludes him. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 10:24, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
I don't know. Black, with an uppercase B, is clearly defined as a cultural identity. However, the US Census seems to define African American as an American of African descent; which Depp is. This is a problematic definition ~~for Wikipedia~~ in general; because it reinforces the one-drop rule and disregards a person's cultural identity. We need to define our terms better to prevent this. Andrea Carter (at your service | my good deeds) 10:42, 17 September 2015 (UTC)