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I have a feeling that this article was picked up from somewhere __earth 08:32, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
- I did a little search and found out that this article was taken from Sabri Zain's. Therefore, I'll try to rewrite this article soon. __earth 08:51, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
Good start. But do a grammar and style check.
Founding of modern Johor
Section needs work and is unnecessarily convoluted. Note that members of each generation were basically the corresponding contemporaries of their family.
The whole article needs to be changed to the past tense. Large sections are written in the simple present. Opinions such as "unfortunately" need to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Temengong line = Temengong of Singapore and Johor Abdul Rahman (not to be confused with the sultan of the rival line), his son Temengong Ibrahim, and his grandson Maharaja (and later sultan of Johor) Abu Bakar
Sultan of Johor, Singapore and Pahang: Tengku Hussein (later Sultan Hussein of Johore), his son Tengku Ali (later Sultan Ali of Singapore, and Pahang; was forced to renounce claims to Johore in favor of the temengong line), and his grandson Tengku Shah Alam (later Sultan of Muar; defeated in civil war by Maharaja Abu Bakar, his former temengong. Lost control of Muar due to debts; died in Singapore as head of the royal household).
Sultan of Linggi and Riau: Tengku Abdul Rahman (later Sultan Abdul Rahman of Linggi and Riau), his son Sultan Muhammad Shah and his grandson Muzafar Shah(deposed by his own Bugis nobleman in favor of Sultan Suleiman of Riau and Linggi).
The claims of the temengong line in Johor is substantiated by the renouncement by Tengku Ali (who renounced forcibly by the British), the Johor temengong line was subsequently elevated by queen victoria to the present day royal family of Johor. They have no royal claim on Singapore or Riau-Linggi. Interestingly, the royal descendants of Shah Alam still receive a royal stipend from the singapore government (albeit quietly) and were allowed to live out their days at their kampong glam palace, since they only leased the southern half to the british and can still lay claim as being the rightful royal family of the northern half of singapore, which they never did renounced, though they were obviously deposed as well defacto. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
thanks for asking. my reasons were: