Talk:Jonestown

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"Michael"[edit]

The five-year-old boy named "Michael" who supposedly survived appears to be a hoax comment. I've read one of the supposed sources, and checked the other one cited. Neither had any reference to him, nor have I seen any reference to a child survivor in any other primary or secondary source. I've deleted the reference unless someone can find an actual, verifiable reference to him. (Smallvillefanatic (talk) 00:17, 11 October 2014 (UTC))

Jim Jones closet bi-sexual[edit]

I have seen the documentary The Life and Death of the Peoples Temple and according to surviving accounts the shootings and suicides happened because Jones was a closet bi-sexual.

Are you sure that's what you heard? The move to Jonestown was, in part, due to the increasingly negative attention the Peoples Temple was getting in the USA (which included allegations that Jones was bisexual), but his sexual orientation otherwise had nothing to do with what went down on the day of the mass murder-suicide. --Ismail (talk) 19:33, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
Is there any evidence of either of these opposing claims. A source would be nice. I believe his socialist beliefs had the greatest impact on his thinking and the evidence in the article supports that. Maybe he was shamed by his bi-sexual condition but how do we know that led him to murder? It seems speculative but if is reliably sourced it could find a place under possible causes but that seems like a stretch. 208.54.38.226 (talk) 07:39, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
The fact that Jim was having sex with both male and female church members is not in dispute, but there is no evidence that it would be considered a cause of the murders. The reasons are inherint in the story - Jim's narcissism, socialist leanings, drug addiction and increasing paranoia. EyePhoenix (talk) 01:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
"Bi-sexual condition"? Flyer22 (talk) 01:47, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Article structure needs improving[edit]

Overall this article contains an excellent amount of accurate sourcing and detail regarding the event of Jonestown. However, in its current state the article is quite inaccessible for people wanting a relatively high level overview of key events, due to how much interesting minutae/details are getting interspersed between critical facts of the event. Moving most of this article's content into a Chronology of Events type section could be an improvement. Then after it, an Aftermath, Impact and possibly Anaylsis section inclusing some portions of the existing article together help tie the event's coverage together. 99.232.28.130 (talk) 23:18, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

jonestown.sdsu.edu as a reference vs http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/Jonestown_com/home.htm as a reference[edit]

Jonestown.sdsu.edu is used as a reference throughout the article. However, this site does not meet WP:RS as it is WP:QUESTIONABLE/WP:UGC content that features conspiracy theories based upon the author's own experiences and other unreliable sources.

Additionally, the author of the site, Laurie Efrein-Kahalas, has written a book, Snake Dance: Unravelling the Mysteries of Jonestown, that is a "Publish On Demand" book that has not been affiliated with any acceptable book publisher/editor. This further qualifies her website and book as sources that fall under WP:QUESTIONABLE/WP:UGC.

Before removing all content sourced throughout the article from this site and to gain a consensus, do other editors have opinions based upon this link and comments for or against whether or not it meets WP:V and WP:RS? 19:08, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

The site jonestown.sdsu.edu as a whole does have reputable and properly sourced information. It also has opinion essays, member recollections, and an archive of the jonestown.com website. The /home.htm URL you give is for the archived jonestown.com site of that one author, but her thoughts are not representative of the new site jonestown.sdsu.edu. I recommend treating the links people cite on an individual basis rather than condemning them because of their domain. 2001:4898:80E8:2:0:0:0:95 (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2015 (UTC)Visitor to the Wikipedia page
 :95 is correct. The jonestown.sdsu.edu site as a whole is full of reputable and properly sourced information; WP:RS is met. It also has opinion essays, member recollections ... and an archive of the jonestown.com website. The /home.htm URL you give is for the archived jonestown.com site of that one author, but her thoughts are not in the least representative of the overall site jonestown.sdsu.edu. I recommend treating the links people cite on an individual or sectional basis rather than condemning them because of their domain. I've edited the title of this section to keep from misleading folks.--Elvey(tc) 04:50, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Odd, contradictory, sentence[edit]

Hello. While reading the article I came across a very odd sentence, considering the sentence after it, and the rest of the article, contradict it:

"Though its roots and teachings shared more with biblical church and Christian revival movements than with Marxism, it purported to practice what it called "apostolic socialism"

and then...

"those who remained drugged with the opiate of religion had to be brought to enlightenment — socialism."

I guess what is attempting to be said is that people that have studied Jonestown believe that their beliefs were more "Christian" than "Marxist"...even though the cult believed that religion was an "opiate" and moved to Guyana to build a Socialist utopia? A better sentence may read, "It's roots were in the Evangelical revival movement, but it's doctrine was avowedly Marxist."

--73.46.60.31 (talk) 22:32, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Suggested pointer[edit]

"After a slew of legal and fiscal issues, CAN disbanded in 1996."

This needs a pointer to a Wikipedia article. However, I don't think can add the pointer. If anyone who is not under this restriction would like to do so, I can provide details. Keith Henson (talk) 00:55, 8 May 2017 (UTC)