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Cleanup[edit]

This needs to be sorted out; everything about it is clumsy and there's a whole load of citations that are needed. I'm not entirely convinced the quotes are actual quotes... I'll do my best with it, but kind of need somebody with more knowledge than me. --Benzs s 11:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Laptop[edit]

This article should talk about Greenwood's use of a Laptop as a musical instrument. More specifically, he runs hus guitar through a program called Max/MSP in the song Go To Sleep. There is a video of it on YouTube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.186.210.57 (talk) 20:21, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I got antsy and added it. Hope it is ok... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.186.210.38 (talk) 23:24, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

i restructured the section that talked about the laptop use. It was repetitive and awkward. Tylerisfat (talk) 00:49, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm removing the line about the SP-303 sampler - that is used by guitarist Ed O'Brien Relaxing (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

The article should probably talk about his love of programming and that he writes his own music software, which he discusses here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m47dDaqnWG0 and http://www.ateaseweb.com/2011/03/04/jonny-greenwood-radiohead-making-music-rehearsing-working-out-what-to-do/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.98.253.105 (talk) 01:20, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Trojan records[edit]

"2007 also marks the 40th anniversary of Trojan Records" I've removed this as the Trojan Records page says they were founded in 1968. I don't know series that Jonny is contributing to is being released to mark their 40th anniversary, if it is then the anniversary should probably be noted in passing (as opposed to a full sentence IMO)Jimbow25 14:03, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Chosen Person?[edit]

Not that it's terribly important, but does anyone know whether he is Jewish? His family all have Israeli names, and I remember reading somewhere that he is Jewish himself. Now, however, I can't find any information about this. Nigel Napalm 23:17, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

If memory serves me correctly, Jonny's wife is of Israeli origin, and this would explain the names of their children. ROG 19 20:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating[edit]

This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 22:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't it mention all the instruments he plays in the summary box at the top of the page, not just guitar? Particularly as he is known for playing the martenot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.20.154.118 (talk) 13:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Effects pedals.[edit]

I'm taking out some of the commentary that's been added in in parenthesis. A lot of it is silly or unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylerisfat (talkcontribs) 10:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Aren't we all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.52.226.137 (talk) 00:32, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Please do. I'm unconvinced that most/any of that stuff is relevant here anyway, and I don't trust any of its sources. Popcornduff (talk) 01:09, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Equipment used[edit]

This section has no references for any of the info listed, and the tag has been there since early 2008. Although Wikipedia:WikiProject Guitarists article structure guidelines does include equipment, it's still a part of Wikipedia, and as such needs to be verifiable. Unless we can find some good, reliable sources for the section, I think it should be removed entirely. TheTwoRoads (talk) 18:24, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I removed the section entirely, since it has been without sources for almost two years, and it's nothing but a biased eyesore.--BuddyOfHolly (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I reverted it to how it was. Until somebody finds replacement information leave the page as it is. This is the sum knowledge of hundreds of fans which you removed for no reason other than lack of sources. Most of the sources on this whole website link to other webpages with dubious existences. The most powerful part of wikipedia does not exist in its ability to obtain a long list of sources, but the sharing of knowledge by it's users. sammatthews99 (talk) 07:20, 1 February 2010 (GMT)

Wikipedia's guidelines on unsourced information is clear. Any unsourced material is considered original research. Also, this article is a biography of a living person. Material on biographical articles is supposed to be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion if it is unsourced or poorly sourced. The person who did this was just following protocol, and I'm sure truly didn't mean to offend. You're absoloutely correct in Wikipedia being a collective of people's information, but that doesn't mean that we have the right to turn it into a fansite. Besides, there are no "perfect" articles on Wikipedia, the least we can do is try to improve them. I'll mark that section as needing citations, and we'll see where things go from there. TheTwoRoads (talk) 07:45, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
You're correct, except that the two basic rules on unsourced information—verifiability and no original research—are both policies, not guidelines. In the absence of a compelling rationale for making an exception here, the policies should be followed. Removing uncited material that has been tagged since 2008 is a perfectly reasonable course to follow, and the best response from those who wish to retain the material is to source as much of it as possible and then re-add that much of it. The problem with the "sum knowledge of hundreds of fans" argument is that this is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. There are lots of places on the Web where fans can contribute their knowledge without needing to cite a verifiable source. This isn't one of them. If Wikipedia goes down that road, it will no longer have any pretensions of being reliable as well as comprehensive. Rivertorch (talk) 08:54, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'm adding references for everything. It might take a couple of days, so please don't delete it in that time. sammatthews99 (talk) 12:46, 1 February 2010 (GMT)
May I suggest a separate page for his gear, since it is such an extensive list? --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 21:16, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that could be a good idea, and would tidy this page up a lot. It's just such a great list to just remove it entirely. I've added sources now. I will make a new page for the list soon, or feel free to continue yourself. sammatthews99 (talk) 22:09, 1 February 2010 (GMT) I created the page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Greenwood_(Equipment)) , but it might be deleted because it's a "recently created article with no relevant page history that does not expand upon, detail or improve information within the existing article(s) on the subject, Jonny Greenwood." So I have tried, but if not, i'll leave it as is. sammatthews99 (talk) 22:47, 1 February 2010 (GMT)
Why is the equipment used notable? Is there a reliable source saying that it is notable? The list of equipment used will never be complete, nor authoritative. It adds nothing to the article and it seems very out of place in a biography about a person and the sources used all seem to be blogs, see WP:RS. The section is a clear violation of policy and what's worse is it has a detrimental effect on the article. It should be removed. Voiceofreason01 (talk) 15:37, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
It adds a lot to the article for musicians, how could that possibly be detrimental? The list has been referenced (not to blogs), so it's not a violation of policy. In addition, hundreds of other guitarist's pages have lists of gear; Wikipedia also accommodates people with a more in depth interest in musicians. sammatthews99 (talk) 22:06, 8 February 2010 (GMT)
I would also argue that a list of instruments is important, but there is such thing as going over the top, which is why I suggested a separate page. One who doesn't play the instrument may find it irrelevant to the music, but that's due to an ignorance of such matters. --BuddyOfHolly (talk) 01:40, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
I've tried to create a new page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonny_Greenwood_(Equipment)), but it was deleted. I agree that it would be a good idea. sammatthews99 (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2010 (GMT)
The whole section is an eyesore. It should be moved to a separate page, and Jonny's solo releases should be given a proper discography box, not just dumped at the end like that. It's like the entire page is being taken over by the equipment he uses.InHaze (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, one of the citations, specifically the one from the Dolphin music site lists Wikipedia as a source and in fact has almost the same text as the article here. It doesn't seem to be the best source to cite as then it reduces to circular referencing.--Aksnitd (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Last para in lead[edit]

Currently says the following - Noted for his aggressive playing style,[1] Greenwood is consistently named as one of the greatest guitarists of all time.[2][3][4][5] Citing his work with Radiohead, Channel 4 described Greenwood as a "significant creative force within the music industry."[6]. I took it out the other day as being somewhat hagiographic, which was probably a bit overzealous, but nonetheless there are problems with it, as follows.

  • "Aggressive playing style" - this seems a very selective and based on opinion even though an article is referenced and not entirely representative of the range of his and the band's style. The Allmusic source being cited does mention this in passing, but it also talks about "chiming" sounds. Other reviews and profiles, especially in respect of more recent stuff, make similar observations that to some extent contradict this point.
  • "consistently named as one of the greatest guitarists of all time" - I'll confess I'm personally skeptical of the cult of the axe hero, and these lists just turn up all the time, with those that are actually voted on by the public usually proving little more than that fans of bands who happen to be popular at the time they are taken vote for the guitarist in those bands. Even writer-led lists are prone to recentism and limited to genres favoured by the magazine/outlet in question. Oddly enough, recent ones don't include Julian Bream, Django Reinhardt or Peter Green. What does "greatest" mean anyway - best songwriter on a guitar? Best soloist? Most solid backing player? Most inventive in terms of getting sounds of the instrument? In particular, the Virgin Media and Gig Wise lists seem pretty trivial, random and non-authoritative. The Rolling Stone one carries more weight I suppose, but it's not sourced to the magazine itself, nor is it clear on what basis the list was put together - by writers? And the BBC 6Music one - which says itself "this is not a representative poll and the figures do not purport to represent public opinion as a whole on this issue" - includes Noel Gallagher among other fairly ordinary choices made by random and self-selecting members of the radio station's audience. I guess the statement that he appears in these polls is strictly true, but is referring to these lists actually telling us much at all?
  • "significant creative force .." - arguably true to some degree, but it's basically PR fluff taken from the Channel 4 website aimed at promoting a film. Hardly an impartial assessment.

Maybe outright removal is too much, but so is the current wording. N-HH talk/edits 18:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


id like to add to that - the 'legacy' section should have citations and avoid hyperboles like 'incredibly inspired' if there should even be a 'legacy' section (he's pretty recent) i think it would better be removed and less dramatic claims about his guitarship made elsewhere in the article. i cant be bothered doing it though - so its just a suggestion if anyone notices :). A person one (talk) 09:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

colour blind[edit]

Is jonny's monochromacy worth a mention? Have heard this in many sources but unsure if there's a direct mention from anyone near him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.68.166 (talk) 16:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Genres[edit]

shouldn't be classical or avant-garde listed as well? 83.238.31.150 (talk) 19:17, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

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