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Regarding Category:Rivers of Syria - strictly speaking, the Jordan River is not a river of Syria, as no part of it passes through Syria. It is relevant to the geography of Syria, though, since the international border of Syria with Palestine/Israel (since 1923) is 50m East of the river at parts, and the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel from 1948 to 1967 included parts of the river. If there is no objection, I will revert back to Category:Geography of Syria.--Doron 22:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Jayjg (talk) 06:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

As the Yarmouk river is a major tributary to this river and the banias river comes from Golan Heights who the united nations and most of the world agree that it is a syrian occupied territory, I believe the latest revision by me is the most accurate. I would like to thank you Doron for the good modifications earlier. I say do not revert. 129.130.15.91 01:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

The sentence in question refers to the Northern Jordan, not its tributaries. It is clearly specified that the sources are in Lebanon and the Golan Heights, but the Northern Jordan itself is within the boundaries of Israel according to the 1923 international border between the British Mandate of Palestine and the French Mandate of Syria. The border is delineated 50 meters east of the river. During the 1948 Israeli-Arab war, Syria advanced to the bank of the Jordan (and crossed it in a few points), and the area it occupied remained a demilitarized zone according to the armistice agreement until 1967. During this period, the Jordan river became the de facto border between Syria and Israel, though no other country (as far as I know) recognizes this change of borders. The 1923 border (which, includes the whole of the Northern Jordan River within Israel) is widely recognized.--Doron 08:27, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Name of article should be "River Jordan"[edit]

In the English language, this river is known as 'the River Jordan', and the article name should reflect that. Why is it called Jordan River instead? — Nicholas (reply) @ 22:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

That's true afaik. Maybe Americans call it the Jordan River? 86.134.138.38 (talk) 17:40, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Pop culture/trivia section?[edit]

I stumbled across this page while prepping to write Jordan River Dam, which is in Jordan River, British Columbia, which other than being named for it has little to do with the river in the Holy Land (unless there's surfing in Galilee). But after a quick browse of the page I gotta wonder if there shouldn't be a section on pop culture, or at least a mention of the more famous spirituals, e.g. Michael Row Your Boat Ashore, We shall gather at the river and so on......I think you'll find the equivalents on Missouri River and Mississippi River, maybe the Rhine.Skookum1 (talk) 14:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

The river referred to in the song 'Old Man River' is not the Jordan, but the Mississippi, as that's where the action takes place. Vibeshifter (talk) 00:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Substitute the song 'Without A Song' for 'Old Man River' as the Vincent Youman's tune references the Jordan river. Vibeshifter (talk) 00:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Not the Great Rift Valley[edit]

The Jordan River flows in the Jordan River Valley. The Great Rift Valley is in East Africa. Moreover, most geologists consider the geologic feature which runs through the Jordan River Valley to be a transform fault, not a rift or ridge. And they do not refer to it as the "Jordan" fault or rift, but the Dead Sea Transform (DST) or Rift. It has some extensional features, but in general, it manifests left lateral motion between the African Plate and the Arabian Plate. Tmangray (talk) 00:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Where is the Palestine mentioned on the map[edit]

Just saying. It's because of political reasons incorrect to not mention Palestine on the map. And there is no source of the map even. You could assume that on some Israeli maps Palestine could be ignored but that should explicitly be said somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.104.158 (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Which sources have been used to state that the Jordan Valley, which belongs to Area C of the West Bank, belongs to Israel? This statement clearly violates the Neutral Point of View, ignoring international agreements on such a sensitive issue, the predominant opinion of the international community and the area neighbouring countries, and above all the point of view of the Palestinian National Authority. --Capucine8 (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Let's try to be neutral about naming countries[edit]

Describing the course the river takes:

  • Israel gets mentioned.
  • Jordan gets mentioned.
  • Palestine does not get mentioned.
  • Syria does not get mentioned.

I addressed this and changed references from "West Bank" (per the U.N., a part of Palestine) and "Golan" (per the U.N. and all States bar Israel, part of Syria) and was told it was not neutral. The river winds its way along the internationally recognised territories (occupied or not) of all these States. It is not neutral to refuse to use the names of some of them. Frenchmalawi (talk) 00:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Despite the UN view, it is taking sides to assume that the West Bank automatically equals Palestine, or that Syria borders the river. I don't see a compelling need to further politicize this article. The existing wording avoids having to do that. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:44, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Hebrew and Arabic names[edit]

It seems a little odd that the Hebrew names are consistently listed before the Arabic names for a river named after an Arab country. In fact, they were originally listed that way but seem to have been arbitrarily swapped in February 2006. What gives? Skadowski (talk) 13:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Danno uk : Why have you deleted the {citation needed| tags[edit]

Danno uk : Why have you deleted the {citation needed| tags. The Diff page

your reason:"Reverted 2 edits by Ykantor (talk): Rather than removing citations and then repeatedly claiming "this is a mistake", it would be better to correct the "mistakes" with supporting references of your."

According to this logic, every {citation needed tag} should be removed immediately, since "it would be better to correct the "mistakes" with supporting references of your." ? So, what for Wikipedia is using this tag?

Will you please un-delete the tags? Ykantor (talk) 19:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

BTW no citations were removed. What is the source for your claim? Ykantor (talk) 05:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)