Talk:Joseph in Islam
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Part of this story is incorrect -- specifically the part about his's imprisonment. It looks like someone added their own interpretation to the Sura. I'll edit it later, but am too busy right now, if someone else wants to do it. Lxx 03:51, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- 1 f
- 2 Link to antisemetic website
- 3 Extraordinary Beauty?
- 4 AntiSemitic?
- 5 Medicine of Quran?
- 6 Sources
- 7 given the article is an "islamic view of joseph" i propose the deletion of the pictures depicting the prophet
- 8 Move discussion in progress
- 9 Move discussion in progress
- 10 Gender and Sexuality section is good
... I guess we're supposed to say what we feel about the merge of "Joseph" and "Yusef"? Well I think that's fine. Regardless what you call him, he's still who he was.
- Oppose merge, article renamed and now follows conventions in Category:Muslim views. --Striver - talk 12:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Link to antisemetic website
This site is linked to in the 'Islamic medicine' section. [allaahuakbar.net/quran/treatment_of_cataract_from_the_quran.htm]. Extremely antisemitic. Take a look. Josh a z (talk) 01:01, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
This is absolutely untrue, I mean yes, he was handsome, but he didn't have anything special, the verses talk about how women were charmed by him, however it never said that he had an extraordinary beauty or even he has the most handsome man on earth.
The most handsome man was never described in Qura'an, however he was described in Hadeeth, He is Jesus (PBUH): "أراني الليلة عند الكعبة ، فرأيت رجلا آدم ، كأحسن ما أنت راء من أدم الرجال ، له لمة كأحسن ما أنت راء من اللمم قد رجلها ، فهي تقطر ماء ، متكأ على رجلين ، أو على عواتق رجلين ، يطوف بالبيت ، فسألت : من هذا ؟ فقيل : المسيح عيسى ابن مريم"
"When I was at the Kaaba, I see a man, the best man you can ever see, doing the the Tawaf, I ask people: who is that? They reply: That is the christ, Jesus the son of Mary" That was a Hadeeth (saying) of Muhammad (PBUH). (I really know how much you hate us, but at least you have to be fair) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 15:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Aha. Note how the Quran says "handsome" but the hadeeth says the "best"; two words with entirely different meanings. That's your opinion, but don't go around spreading kalamat fa'6eeya please :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 20:27, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Clarification Regarding Yusuf's Beauty - Islam's Perspective. While the hadith you mentioned is true, you must understand that the Arabic language is used differently that english, as such, translations may be misleading for those nat familiar with it. In the hadith you quoted about Jesus, it is understood that "Ahsan" (which you translated as "best") is not an comparitive best (i.e. best person in town, or in the world etc). It is used in the sense that he is "good looking" (similar as when you say "best practices" in business, they don't literally refer to the best practices that an organization can use; they refer to practices that are commonly used. There may be better practices used by other organizations that are not as popular). Therefore, from this hadith, you cannot conclude that Jesus is the best looking man.
The hadith that muslims refer in support of Yusuf's beauty is a long hadith regarding Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) ascention to the seven skies/heavens. During his jounrny he meets many prophets among them is Yusuf. At this portion of the story, the Prophet states that "Yusuf was given half the beauty of all of Allah's creation". (There are some other less known hadiths that state the Yusuf and his mother had recieved half of the beauty of all creation, however, the stronger one is the first hadith).
This hadith is unabiguos. Allah gave half of total amount of beauty to Joseph. The other half, he spread among his creation. Note that creation does not only refer to human beings, it refers to all of God's creations! This includes humans, animals, trees, rivers, etc.
Muslims do not hate christians. In fact, I would go as far as saying that we love Issa (Jesus) more than christians do. We love, respect, and honor him as Allah commanded us to, as he is one of five messengers that Allah singled out as being those of great determination (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad, peace and blessign be upon them all). No one is a muslim if he does not believe that Jesus, son of Mary, is the Mesiah. We differ with christians in that we reject the notion that he is divine (whether he is God, Son of God, or Part of the Trinity), as well as the concept of Original Sin.
In an aside, the statement above about "best practices" is incorrect in that the "best" should be considered literal (with reservations for subjectivity, misjudgement, later improvements, ...) Notably, it is common for best practices to be used to a much lesser degree than other methods, typically because the latter are more convenient in the (very) short term.
Well, you have added a lot of links to sites criticizing Islam, and a lot of links to Anti-Islamic websites and Islamophobic ones, so why do you want to remove this one and keep yours? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 15:28, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Medicine of Quran?
I have tried finding references to such a medicine and I do not see anything on the web. I saw several vague references to a Swiss pharmaceutical producing a new medicine called "Medicine of Quran" but I cannot find a single website of an actual pharmaceutical company actually promoting or selling such a product. It seems that the reference originated on an Islamic website such as http://www.islamicvoice.com. A Google and Yahoo search of "Dr. Abdul Basit Sayeed Muhammed" only yields a single link to this Wikipedia article. I am deleting this section until a suitable reference can be found to the clinical trials that showed the 95% success rate. Otherwise this product is probably snake oil.
"Quran Indication to Cataract Treatment
The detail about the healing of Yaqub's eyes after Yusef's shirt was cast on Yaqub's face does not appear in the Bible (see [Qur'an 12:84], [Qur'an 12:93]). The Egyptian scientist, Dr. Abdul Basit Sayeed Muhammed, was able to discover an eye drops medication for cataract. Clinical test results for this patented medication show that it is effective in curing over 95% of cases. Dr. Abdul Basit Sayeed Muhammed insisted to market this product under the title “Medicine of Quran” because his discovery was inspired by these Quran verses [Qur'an 12:84] [Qur'an 12:93] verses , and he presented this medical discovery as one of the Quranic miracles " Khader sami (talk) 19:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
given the article is an "islamic view of joseph" i propose the deletion of the pictures depicting the prophet
As a representation of the "Muslim view" of the prophet Joseph (Yusuf), I'd like to remind fellow wikipedians, that that view does not include graphic depictions of this or other holy characters. I propose therefore the removal of the graphic illustrations, which after all are neither factual nor congruent to the "muslim view". Best. Scriber (talk) 09:04, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
- You might be better to take this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Islam and include all non-Islamic images in article that are in Category:Muslim views. The only images that should remain are ones like File:Offerismail.jpg. Enter CBW, waits for audience applause, not a sausage. 16:25, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
- There is currently only one image, which is of course an Islamic one (and Sunni, fwiw). Johnbod (talk) 23:28, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Islamic views on Abraham which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 20:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Move discussion in progress
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Gender and Sexuality section is good
That section is good, but I am angry that no reference was given to the female scholar Barbara, and upon googling her it appears she died in 2012 but also googling her shows she is known for writing the book "Women in the Qur'an, Traditions, and Interpretation", I might look for copy and add the reference in the future. Alexis Ivanov (talk) 06:58, 18 June 2016 (UTC)