Talk:Juan Pujol (alias Garbo)

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His correct name was JOAN (in Catalan) Pujol Garcia, not JUAN (in Spanish)!!

Possibly, but you need to provide evidence. So far, all links provided refer to "Juan". I attended a lecture in 1992 by Nigel West and he referred to "Joan" throughout, but the fact that his tombstone is engraved as "Juan" and the MI5 website also refers to "Juan" tilts the argument towards that side. It would be also nice if you signed your contributions. Thanks. tonis1 18:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He always was known as Juan, nothing strange given that he was born in 1912 and his mother was of Castilian origin.--Menah the Great 17:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reverted to correct the Joan spelling to Juan. If proper evidence for the different spelling is provided (which hasn't happened in the last 2 years) then it should be changed everywhere, not just two the places it was a couple months ago. --Danny Rathjens (talk) 21:03, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trust a double agent?[edit]

I'm a bit leery of believing any of Pujol's claims. I've seen a TV doc that suggests he lied extensively to MI5, too... Trekphiler 06:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may be right but I'm not sure how much of the article is based on Pujol's claims. Most of it is based on the official secret internal MI5 report written at the time by his handler and released by the National Archives in 2000. (Harris, Tomás (2000). Garbo The Spy Who Saved D-Day. The National Archives). A fascinating book by the way. Well worth reading. Adrian Robson 10:24, 6 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the obvious proof that he wasn't a double-double-agent is that D-Day went ahead as planned, with little-to-no more resistance than expected. You need to check if the facts support theories. Poorsod 21:30, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Trekp, There were several of these double agetns run by the XX Committee. Several of them lied to their handlers, were barred from further communicaitons with the Germsns and so on. I've read no credible suggestion that Garcia was one of these. An a terminological point, I would suggest that Garbo was never a double agent as he seems never to have actually worked fof the Germans, having been bamboozling them from his first contact with them. He actually only became an official Gritish agetn on his second try with them, well after he was already in the German fooling business. ww 00:47, 16 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, you should recall that most of the German cyphers were being broken for much of this time by Bletchley Park, so it would have been difficult for a German double agent to become a triple agent without detection unless they never used wireless contacts, and were never discussed on the internal German networks. In fact the decripts of German transmissions showed that they did believe what Garbo was saying... Garbo certainly didn't have ULTRA clearance, so he wouldn't have known that he could be checked in this way. In conclusion: its perfectly reasonable to trust a double agent if you can read his transmissions and those of his (purported) bosses. Duncan (talk) 21:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

His name was Juan, this is the name which is in the CNI. If a person bourn in Counts of Catalonia, your name is not obligatory in Catalan. Another think, his mother is no castilian, his mother born in Aragon.

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