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Rorschach?[edit]

What the heck is the fan favorite psychotic vigilante "Rorschach" ? JackofOz 05:57, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Rorschach (comics), from the Watchmen comics series. He's the one wearing the white mask with inkblots.—jiy (talk) 06:35, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Birth date[edit]

OK, this is a worry. The lead para says 29 December 1972, but the infobox says 28 December 1971. Which is it, and let's have a citation to prove it. JackofOz 12:02, 25 October 2006 (UTC)...............It is 1972 because he was in the year above me...--Lee F 15:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

That doesn't really count as a citation, nor does it give us a firm date. Tinkstar1985 12:21, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
It seems to have become well-cited in the meantime. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 12:13, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

What about other films?[edit]

don't you think there are some serious stuff in his filmography that worth some mention? like closer, mr.ripley, and else...--Quinlan Vos 15:38, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Missing photo[edit]

The person who removed his photo in May is called Szczepan1990  ? I haven't learned how to properly upload photos to Wikimedia Commons yet, otherwise I'd take care of it. I don't understand why the image was removed. eveningscribe 18:53, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you're reading the history incorrectly; Szczepan1990 has not edited this article. However, there have been several pictures removed, all because they either do not contain proper copyright information or they violate fair use. It is also possible that the image was deleted for these reasons, as well. María (críticame) 19:48, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation! eveningscribe 18:59, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Questionable sources[edit]

Just Jared (justjared.com) is a blog. It is self-published (apparently). This source does not meet WP:BLP#Sources and WP:V#Sources for WP:BLP. Please investigate and decide what to do. If these multiple references to that blog are being used as sources for statements in this biographical article Jude Law, the statements citing this source (multiple ones) will need either more acceptable sources in keeping with WP:BLP#Sources etc. or they will be need to be deleted. Self-published blogs are not generally acceptable as sources in these articles on living persons, even if they are public figures (celebrities). Such articles require reliable and verifiable sources as defined in WP:V#Sources. WP:V is one of Wikipedia's core editing policies, as is WP:BLP. See the links in the talk header and template tags. Thanks. No non-official unauthorized self-published fansites are permissible as sources or as external links in this article: WP:EL. Links to videos posted by people in sites like Youtube and AOL are potential copyright violations (for policies, see WP:Copyvio; Wikipedia:Media copyright questions, etc.); they may be deleted as well. [will be away; these problems still need resolution. See cleanup tag at top of article.] --NYScholar (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

I entirely agree re excessive reliance upon a self-published blog for many citations in this article. Here are some other (hopefully better) sources of possible use: [1] [2] [3] [4] Maybe it would now be a good idea to start replacing the blog citations with more reliable ones. Peter morrell 07:19, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi, an editor put a hidden note in the article which asked if the use of the website JustJared.com is allowable in Wikipedia. While this celebrity gossip website is not exactly a NewYorkTimes.com - level source (sarcasm!), it may have the level of editorial oversight required of Wikipedia sources. Random, anonymous users cannot just post stuff on it. But is their a proper editorial board? I don't know. If there is proper editorial oversight, JustJared.com may be an OK source, as long as what they are claiming is factual (e.g., "Jude Law cut the ribbon at a the unveiling of a new AIDS clinic") rather than speculative and gossip-mongering ("Jude Law seen leaving health clinic; is he ill??).Nazamo (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

First name[edit]

His real name is David Jude Law, which is why he is often called Dave by photographers who obviously feel the 'Jude' part is pretentious.

http://www.biggeststars.com/j/jude-law-home.html http://www.mooviees.com/2897-Jude-Law/celebrity

I amended his details to reflect this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.163.55.54 (talk) 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Pearl Lowe incident[edit]

I think the Pearl Lowe incident is important because it might mark a decline in fanfare.

In 2001, rumours spread that Goffey and Lowe had engaged in 'wife-swapping' with Jude Law and his now ex-wife Sadie Frost, whilst on holiday in Greece. Although Law denied this, Lowe later told News of the World in 2005:

The story's correct, even though I wish it wasn't.... We thought it would be fun, but it turned out to have some unpleasant repercussions. Danny and I had real problems in our relationship as a result.[1][2]

The swinging sessions are also speculated to be what caused Jude and Sadie's divorce.[3][4] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.112.8.152 (talk) 14:17, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Birth name[edit]

Can anybody enlighten me as to why, whenever anybody inserts Jude Law's real name -David Jude Heyworth Law- it is immediately removed? Is there something about this whole thing that I'm not understanding?Ravenscroft32 (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Tried again. --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:08, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Policy in MOS:BIO#Names. --Old Moonraker (talk) 22:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

One of London free papers (either Metro or London Lite or the other one) is in the habit of calling him Dave, apparently seeing 'Jude' as pretentious. Perhaps his fans see the use/acknowledgement of his 'real' first name here as a similar criticism of him? Catiline63 (talk) 08:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Please assume good faith. That wasn't the objection the other editor had to the source, it was because the actual page of the source was a column. Since then, sources that aren't disputed have been added and there is no actual need for the disputed column source. Wildhartlivie (talk) 08:54, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
As the Webster's reference has in turn been disputed and removed, we are left only with Who's Who, from the Oxford University Press. Unfortunately, while confirming "David", it does not include "Heyworth". --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:18, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

In the official birth and marriage records on www.ancestry.co.uk (subscription only, unfortunately), he is listed as David Jude H Law and David J H Law, respectively. His mother's maiden name is Heyworth, but his full name is all over the internet. I have changed his name in the Wiki article numerous times, but there is one contributor in particular who only allows "Jude Law", period, and changes it back immediately. Don't know why. Let's see how long it lasts this time! Ravenscroft32 (talk) 17:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

As per Wikipedia:Reliable sources there's nothing intrinsically wrong with a newspaper column as a source. A column concerning itself with presenting the biographies of certain personalities does not equate with an 'opinion piece' which is just that, a journalist's subjective opinion. Only the latter is frowned upon by wikipedia. Catiline63 (talk) 14:22, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Pace User:Wildhartlivie, it seems that following recent changes the Telegraph reference is needed again. If there is agreement I propose to reinstate it, using as reference the published, print edition, thus: Barratt, Nick (9 September 2006). "Family Detective An investigation into our hidden histories. This week: actor Jude Law". Daily Telegraph. London: 16.  AFAICS this would be a perfectly legitimate source. It's not an opinion piece: it's an article like any other, written by a reputable genealogist who formerly worked at the Public Record Office. --Old Moonraker (talk) 15:22, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I don't particularly care one way or another about the source, if others think it is reliable. There is another editor who seems to strongly dispute it, however. I'm not certain why a second Who's Who source was needed today. I did remove the parenthesis from the name "David". Who's Who put that name in parenthesis because he's not known by that name, just to clarify why I removed them. Wildhartlivie (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
So we can consider the Telegraph article as admissible, yes?Catiline63 (talk) 11:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I think if you want a definitive answer, you could take it to WP:RS/N to settle any questions regarding the reliability of the column. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:30, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
User:Catiline63 has taken up this suggestion: See (and comment) here. --Old Moonraker (talk) 17:04, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I think that's the best way to settle the question. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
No objections, either here or at WP:RS/N#Jude Law and the Telegraph: time to put this to bed. --Old Moonraker (talk) 08:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Hamlet[edit]

I have trimmed this sub-section heavily because, as another editor has pointed out, "the section for one play is as long as the sections for either the 1990s or the 2000s". This has meant taking out the names of the other cast members, to concentrate on Law as the WP:TOPIC of the article, and cutting the verbatim quotes from various reviewers, as WP:NPS would have us do. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm the other editor who said that, and I agree wholeheartedly with the trim. The section on one performance had aquired undue weight in comparison with Law's entire career. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:36, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
An editor removed all reviews from the Hamlet section, citing "no need for any reviews, because of a maintain a neutral, unbiased POV. (WP:NPOV, WP:NPV, WP:NEU)". Those policies do not mean to remove reviews because critical response was mixed. My concern initially was that small portions of reviews that did say something both positive and negative were being selectively quoted to use only the positive portions of the review. That is the very definition of cherrypicking and POV referencing. Then the section became overweighted with critical response in order to weight the article with only the positive portions of the reviews. The last edit trimmed the section down to representing both views and lessened the undue weight given the performances. I have been concerned that this was being done by an editor who is a fan of Law's and who almost exclusively edits this article and articles pertaining to Law's career, with one edit to the Hamlet section using the edit summary of "break a leg" - a message to Law. Such single-purpose accounts are sometimes an issue when the work in question exists to promote someone. WP:NPOV does not mean that we will only include positive critical response to an actor's work. This is an issue that most certainly is a problem with this article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 23:17, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
I think Old Moonraker was right to trim the section down. I had noticed that it was going into too much detail regarding this one project, relative to the rest of Law's career. I think it's good to refer back to reviews, and it's fair to say that not all reviews have been glowing, although most seem to be favourable to some degree. The way it's currently worded it gives emphasis to an example of a positive review, which seems representative of the positive reviews, and summarizes the not-so-positive and refers to them as "mixed", which also seems fair to me in terms of neutrality. The less positive reviews don't seem to focus on the same aspect of Law or his performance, so calling them "mixed" seems like a good summary. Cherrypicking is to be avoided, and this helps to avoid it. Rossrs (talk) 13:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Semaphore style[edit]

A recent edit referred to a piece in The New York Times to show that not all reviews were positive. This extra example shouldn't be added to the text—the section is big enough already—but out of curiosity I looked it up: Ready, Set, Emote: A Race to His Doom if anybody else wants a look. --Old Moonraker (talk) 09:14, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi there. I never intended to add the NYT's review. I read it when it's published in NYT, and I'm not a big fan of Ben Brantley's signature style of "celebrity mockery". But since some ip editor keeps referring to the WP's review as the "only" negative one, I brought it up for the sake of NPOV. I don't want this article to look foolish for people who have read the NYT's review. - Gene2010 (talk) 04:56, 9 March 2011 (UTC)
Agree. I don't recognise Brantley's barbs as accurately reflecting the production I saw, but they're on record and, for the sake of accuracy, new edits can't ignore them. You are right to revert any that do. --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:10, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Personal life - affair references prohibited[edit]

What is the reasoning for the undoing of any commentary mentioning Jude Laws affair? The comments made are factual and backed up by multiple reliable sources (his own admissions and apology as cited by the BBC). I would think this is an important aspect of his "Personal life" and better explains his separation from Fiancé Miller? Is there some valid reason it is edited within minutes every time a reference to this incident is mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.141.162 (talk) 13:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't know why anyone else removed it, but as for myself, it isn't very encyclopedic as content, and takes the form more of tabloid. I don't recall a featured or good article including content that says one celebrity apologized to another celebrity. There is no mandate for Wikipedia to explain a break-up, any more than there a mandate for Wikipedia to explain why he didn't marry the mother of his new baby. It's gossip. Wildhartlivie (talk) 15:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Hm, I actually came to the article specifically looking to remember what happened with that scandal/affair. If anyone has the info and can add it again, it seemed to be a fairly large news story and as noted below, death details are on wikipedia as well. Jairuscobb (talk) 17:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Understood. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.101.56.199 (talk) 00:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

The affair is listed under Sienna Miller's page, why not Jude Law's? It doesn't make sense... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.84.160.114 (talk) 22:34, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Additional modification of Jude Law's career[edit]

In 2001, he was starred as "Vassili Zaitsev" in "Enemy at the Gate" directed by Jean-Jacques Annaud. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.72.31.131 (talk) 12:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, he did. I will add it now. It is worth mentioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A law student (talkcontribs) 19:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Names of his children with Sadie Frost[edit]

According to CarbonZeroPlanet.org they are Rafferty Jellicoe Law (some furthur digging suggested that there is a third middle name - Frost), Iris Tallulah Elizabeth Law and Rudy Indiana Otis Law. Link 1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.3.228 (talk) 14:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing the issue to the talk page. Are you sure of this link? Trying to verify I received: "You searched for jude law No occurrences found". But, it may not be a reliable source, as defined, anyhow. --Old Moonraker (talk) 14:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

If it isn't too much trouble type "Rafferty Jellicoe Frost Iris Tallulah Elizabeth" into Google. The first link (CarbonZeroPlanet.org Projects: Tree Tags) should verify. Also ancestry.co.uk verify's Rafferty's name, for the most part -- he is listed as Rafferty Jellicoe F Law. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.182.3.228 (talk) 15:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Interesting result with the tree tags: certainly a new angle I hadn't considered! Thanks for that. Not sufficient for WP:RS and WP:BLP though, and the other site is by payment only. We're not there yet. --Old Moonraker (talk) 16:46, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Jude Law ist Jude[edit]

Jude Law is jewish. Sure it can be everything from here [[5]] or here Jude but it is obvious. --DerAkademiker (talk) 09:49, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

"It is obvious" still needs a source, otherwise it's WP:NOR, and not allowed. --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:22, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism[edit]

"occupation: alyssa's lover" what on earth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.196.142.142 (talk) 04:43, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

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