Talk:Juris Doctor

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Juris Doctorem[edit]

User Law School Prof has added Juris Doctorem as an alternative name for the J.D., with the claim in the edit summary that this is used at Georgetown University. A Google site search on georgetown.edu for the text "juris doctorem" returns no results, while there is plenty of material there using "Juris Doctor". It should also be noted that Juris Doctorem is the Latin accusative of Juris Doctor, which is therefore used on some degree parchments - this is not a separate title from Juris Doctor, merely the form Juris Doctor takes when it is the subject of a sentence in Latin. I suspect this is the cause of Law School Prof's confusion. My revert on this edit was re-reverted without explanation; to avoid edit-warring I have therefore tagged it as needing a citation and opened this discussion. Robminchin (talk) 04:49, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

I added Juris Doctorem as that is what is actually listed on the diploma. I contacted the Georgetown University Law School Registrar, the office responsible for diplomas, and they confirmed by email that both Juris Doctor and Juris Doctorem are appropriate designations for the Georgetown degree--one in Latin and the other it's English translation. I'm not sure how to cite to an email, but I am willing to scan into a PDF file. Any suggestions? Thank you. Law School Prof (talk) 21:11, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Juris Doctorem is listed on the diploma because the diploma uses the accusative form of Juris Doctor. It's not an alternative name, just a different declension of the same name, just like you'll see Julium Caesarem (or Iulium) in Latin texts instead of Julius Caesar (or Iulius) where the accusative is used. See wiktionary:doctor#Latin and wiktionary:doctorem#Latin.
The guidelines for sources are at WP:SOURCES and WP:RELIABLE. A source has to be published, and generally self-published sources are not considered reliable (with certain exceptions). To be a properly reliable source, they would probably have to place a statement about the degree name on their website.
What would you think of the following as a compromise text that mentions the use of Juris Doctorem?

In the United States, the professional doctorate in law may be conferred in Latin or English as Juris Doctor (sometimes shown on Latin diplomas in the accusative form Juris Doctorem) and at some law schools Doctor of Law (J.D. or JD), Doctor of Jurisprudence, (also abbreviated JD or J.D.).

Robminchin (talk) 06:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

That makes perfect sense, especially given the confusion amongst law school graduates. A google search for Juris Doctorem finds many graduates who list their degree with that designation, so this explanation will help clear up the issue.Law School Prof (talk) 14:19, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Great. I've changed the article to this. Robminchin (talk) 19:57, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

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"Executive Juris Doctor"[edit]

So Buzzfeed (which despite the stupid name is now a legit and reasonably reliable news organ) has this article about something called the Executive Juris Doctor degree

I don't know if it's important enough to include in this already dense and long article, so I didn't, but on the other hand probably some none-zero number of people are going to search on "Executive Juris Doctor" which is a redirect to "Juris Doctor#Executive Juris Doctor", which section doesn't exist, so they are just dumped at the top of this article, which contains no info at on Executive Juris Doctor.

So maybe we ought to ad a section something like this, probably in the "Types and characteristics" subsection:

====Executive Juris Doctor====

Some for-profit schools in the United States offer a legal education program resulting in an Executive Juris Doctor (EJD) degree. Despite the similarity in name to Juris Doctor (which is sometimes the source of confusion), this degree is not generally recognized in the legal profession and is not sufficient in any state to take a bar exam or practice law.

with Buzzfeed as the source. I don't know, what do you all think? Herostratus (talk) 18:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Having skimmed the long Buzzfeed article, I have to say this looks like a scam. NRPanikker (talk) 22:57, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Are there other sources discussing this phenomenon? If this is only described in one source and only offered at a few institutions then it doesn't seem like something we should mention at all. ElKevbo (talk) 00:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
It seems to me after reading the article that the EJD is a different degree from the JD so should not be included here and should not redirect here. If it had its own page, then possibly a template:about link would be appropriate Robminchin (talk) 02:07, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Yeah it is kind of a scam I guess, at least Buzzfeed thinks so. I'm a little reluctant to write that in the article tho because that's just one source, also I'm sure it works for some people, say you want to be a talent manager or business executive and want extensive legal knowledge without needing to practice law. As to a separeate article, maybe that's best, but I don't think there's enough for a stand-alone article, at least not yet. Herostratus (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Apparently there was some minor content in the article here about the EJD in the 2009-2010 time frame, but it was deleted in January 2011. Regards, AzureCitizen (talk) 03:44, 8 November 2019 (UTC)