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Grammys 2014[edit]

Headline: "Grammy predictions 2014: Who will win? Who should win?"

"BEST POP VOCAL ALBUM Nominees: Paradise, Lana Del Rey; Pure Heroine, Lorde; Unorthodox Jukebox, Bruno Mars; Blurred Lines, Robin Thicke; The 20/20 Experience — The Complete Experience, Justin Timberlake. Who Will Win: This is gonna boil down to a Mars vs. Timberlake battle, methinks, but Timbo should prevail on the strength of sheer audacity — two albums and 140 minutes' worth of epic R&B jams — and the fact that he's the biggest-selling artist of 2014. Who Should Win: Timberlake. There's a lot of fat to trim on the two 20/20 discs but he's had a monster comeback year." — To watch, FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

FYI, to close the loop: [1] "Mars’ Unorthodox Jukebox was named pop vocal album of the year, topping efforts from Robin Thicke, Timberlake, Lorde and Lana Del Rey and giving the R&B star an emotional boost after major tragedy in his life last year." Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 06:00, 27 January 2014 (UTC) So Timberlake's musical comeback did not trump Mars' comeback from "major tragedy". Justin Timberlake won with some other artists, but his album didn't, FYI.

Here's what Justin Timberlake did win [2] at Grammys 2014:

  • Rap/sung collaboration: "Holy Grail," Jay Z with Justin Timberlake
  • R&B song: "Pusher Love Girl," James Fauntleroy, Jerome Harmon, Timothy Mosley and Justin Timberlake

I'm sure someone (like you) will put this in the table of his recognition awards. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 06:10, 27 January 2014 (UTC) FYI, there were 82 categories.

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2014[edit]

This should say that Justin Timberlake is on of the nicest people you will ever meet. Rjvollert (talk) 00:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done that would go against WP:NPOV. It would be better to perhaps quote someone calling him that, but not in a simple no-context way. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 00:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2014[edit]

justin timberlake to some people he is an inspiration and he is cute to others

162.197.188.46 (talk) 03:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done including a statement like that would not be encyclopaedic. It would be more appropriate to quote someone who talks about his appeal and source that, though. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 04:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Singer-Songwriter? Or Singer AND Songwriter?[edit]

Can I get a clear definition of Singer-songwriter, because if singer-songwriter is one who composes, writes, and sings, then Timberlake applies. --Joseph Prasad (talk) 04:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

There is an ongoing discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music#RfC: How should music BLPs approach the term "singer-songwriter"?, and so far it seems that consensus is that singer-songwriter only applies to folk/acoustic singers such as James Taylor and Joni Mitchell who write, compose, and perform their own material. Snuggums (talk / edits) 04:35, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

President of pop[edit]

I'm surprised I didn't found nothing about it here Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:01, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

What sources call him such? Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

and this is something different http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/justin-timberlake-the-new-king-of-pop-20031225 Cornerstonepicker (talk) 07:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  • Except for Rolling Stone, CNTV, maybe iHeartRadio and Broadwayworld, those sources aren't really reliable. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Intro[edit]

"following the disbandment of the group" instead of "During the group's hiatus" (?) because it wasn't a hiatus. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 20:21, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Occupations[edit]

The user McQueen.30 keeps adding occupations to the infobox despite JasonAQuest's rationale to "simplify to major occupations, not everything he's done". Discuss here why occupations should/shouldn't be listed. Also pinging IPadPerson who has reverted McQueen. Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

The material in an infobox should succinctly summarize "who is this person?" to someone unfamiliar with them: their reason for notability. Listing minor or ancillary roles gets in the way of that (and can mislead with undue weight) without adding value to the casual reader. I reduced the list to those itemized in the opening sentence of the lede, which serves a similar just-the-main-points purpose. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 20:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
It should not be that complicated. Anything that a person has done other than what they are mostly known for may be included later in the article because adding those extra things in an infobox could give people almost all of the detail before scrolling down the rest of the article. IPadPerson (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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Intro rework[edit]

Justin Randall Timberlake (born January 31, 1981) is an American singer, songwriter, actor, and record producer. Born in Memphis, Tennessee, he appeared on the television shows Star Search and The All-New Mickey Mouse Club as a child. In the late 1990s, Timberlake rose to prominence as one of the two lead vocalists and youngest member of the boy band NSYNC, which eventually became one of the best-selling boy bands of all time. During the group's hiatus, Timberlake released his debut studio album Justified, which included the successful singles "Cry Me a River" and "Rock Your Body", and earned him his first two Grammy awards.

His second record, FutureSex/LoveSounds, debuted atop the U.S. Billboard 200 and produced the Billboard Hot 100 number-one singles "SexyBack", "My Love", and "What Goes Around... Comes Around". With his first two album exceeding sales of 10 million copies worldwide, he was established as one of the most commercially successful singers of the decade. From 2007 through 2012, Timberlake focused on his acting career, effectively putting his music career on hiatus; he held starring roles in the films The Social Network, Bad Teacher, In Time, and Friends with Benefits.

In 2013, Timberlake resumed his music career with his third and fourth albums The 20/20 Experience and The 20/20 Experience – 2 of 2, exploring neo soul styles with the song structures of 1960s and 1970s rock. The former became the best-selling record of the year and spawned the top-three singles "Suit & Tie" and "Mirrors", while the latter produced the top-ten song "Not a Bad Thing". Time named him one of the 100 most influential people in the world in 2007 and 2013. Timberlake's work has earned him numerous awards, including nine Grammy Awards and four Emmy Awards, the latter being for his acclaimed appearances on Saturday Night Live. His other ventures include record label Tennman Records, fashion label William Rast, and the restaurants Destino and Southern Hospitality.

SNL is an important part of his career, needs to appear somehow; former/latter appear twice in the real intro. When FS/LS was released *nsync wasn't in a hiatus anymore. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 02:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Fashion style[edit]

Some useful links about Timberlake's style if anyone wants to write a Fashion style for this article

This sort of information is not really appropriate for an encyclopedia article. -Jason A. Quest (talk) 16:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't mean we should write about what he wears right now or tomorrow. For example we can write about his style changes, haircut, or what critics say about his fashion style, or which publications call him stylish, etc... I strongly believe that it's encyclopedic since he's one of the most well-dressed singers right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.130.18.143 (talk) 17:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

JT didn't sold the mirimichi camp golf this article is lie so please don't post this article again.https://www.facebook.com/MirimichiGolf?fref=ts mirimichi still open and Justin Timberlake still the owner of this camp golf my friend lifes in Millington (Tennessee)and this camp golf still open and JT is the owner .many lies article are said on the sites so please don't post what jt sold mirimichi thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alicedorajt (talkcontribs) 01:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

source? Can't find anything related in the Facebook page. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 01:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2016[edit]

I want it to be unblocked. 79.68.228.67 (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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Singer-songwriter?[edit]

By the definition given on WP, "Singer-songwriters are musicians who write, compose, and perform their own musical material". Timberlake is the main writer and producer in all his (solo) music repertoire, as co-, his team of 3 people. "Singer-songwriter" is more accurate than "singer and songwriter". Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:20, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

@Musdan77: @SNUGGUMS: @6033CloudyRainbowTrail: pls I'd like your opinions. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 03:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Dictionary.com says "a performer who writes his or her own songs", English Oxford Dictionary defines the term as "A person who sings and writes popular songs, especially professionally", Collins English Dictionary describes this as "someone who writes and performs their own songs, especially popular songs", and Merriam-Webster Dictionary refers to it as "a performer who writes songs and sings them". None of these seem to suggest people have to be the sole writer, but they should definitely do some of the writing. I personally don't have a preference on which terms to use, but thought it would help to have those definitions in mind. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:38, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
1) Cornerstonepicker doesn't give a link to Singer-songwriter. (2) Two of the definitions quoted by Snuggums say "own songs". If you look up the word "own"... I find: "indicates oneself as the sole agent of some activity or action." So, it does "suggest" that. (3) The WP page gives AllMusic as a source, which its definition says, "the term Singer/Songwriter refers to the legions of performers that followed Bob Dylan in the late 60s and early 70s. Most of the original singer/songwriters performed alone with an acoustic guitar or a piano but some had small groups for backing. Their lyrics were personal, although they were often veiled by layers of metaphors and obscure imagery. Singer/songwriters drew primarily from folk and country, although certain writers like Randy Newman and Carole King incorporated the songcraft of Tin Pan Alley pop. The main concern for any singer/songwriter was the song itself, not necessarily the performance." --Musdan77 (talk) 05:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I just checked the list of singer-songwriters from the US and found that in some of their wikipedia profiles (Beyonce, Meghan Trainer), it just says singer, songwriter even though they are in the list. But, I think that singer-songwriter is applicable to JT's article too as he does most of the other work on his songs too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_singer-songwriters#S.E2.80.93T

Sorry about not linking before. King Cobra (talk) 11:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Again, no wikilink. People, if you refer to a WP page, give the link! It's not hard. On the top of that page it says, "You can help by expanding it with reliably sourced entries." And yet there is not one reference on the whole page! Similar list articles, such as List of tenors in non-classical music, don't allow any entries to be added without a source confirming that the person belongs on the list. That list really should be titled "List of singers who also write songs", but it's easier just to put "singer-songwriters". --Musdan77 (talk) 19:00, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
@Musdan77: by link you mean a reference, like this? "Six of Hollywood's top singer-songwriters" Cornerstonepicker (talk) 19:56, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I think this link is good enough for both the WP list as well as JT's page.King Cobra (talk) 20:04, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
By link, I was talking about mentioning or quoting a WP page but not giving the link to it. But that Billboard source is not bad – even though it's in contrast to the AllMusic one. And you misrepresent it by putting "Six of Hollywood's top singer-songwriters" in quotes, as if that's the title – when it's not, and the term "singer-songwriter" is only used once in the article. --Musdan77 (talk) 20:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
I quoted it because that's the relevant part for this discussion, regardless of how many times the author would repeat the term. Jic, here's others [3] [4] [5]. I believe the first I showed is more than enough. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 21:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Okay, I didn't realize that was a quote from the article, because you didn't make that clear in your post – and you capitalized "six", which it is not in the article. Anyway, if you want to change that back, adding one of those refs (because it's not found in the main body), I won't contest it. --Musdan77 (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

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