Talk:KARR (Knight Rider)
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KARR's awareness of KITT
KARR knew KITT was created before he was placed in storage, because after his escape from the warehouse he tells Tony and Rev that the "other" car they saw was an "inferior production copy". Although he didn't know KITT's name however until the end of the episode. Cyberia23 21:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Tony and The Rev are discussing what had happened the night before in the warehouse just after they awake to find themselves in KARR. As they compare stories as to what actually happened they both recall seeing a car identical to KARR. KARR, upon hearing this then tells them that they are mistaken and that the vehicle they saw must have been an inferior production line copy. Tony then replies to KARR "Yeah... You MUST be right" in a rather sarcastic manner. This leads me to believe that KARR could not have had any knowledge of KITT's existence prior to deactivation and only becomes fully aware of him when they next meet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk • contribs)
- One of the great mysteries of Science. Maybe he had a full tank and didn't need a fill up. Cyberia23 22:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
KITT claimed that he could run on any combustable liqued fuel, including conventional gasoline on at least one occasion. As KITT and KARR both had Knight 2000 bodies it can be reasonably assumed that KARR could also run on more conventional fuels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 16:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm just curious, and I'm sure readers want to know -why is KARR evil? Why does KARR dislike KITT so much? What did KITT ever do to get KARR so upset? Is KARR homophobic? I guess I missed that episode, anyone care to fill me in? Teetotaler 23 May, 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:46, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
- KARR is technically not evil but he did not have the programing built into him to protect human life so he does not know any better but to try to destroy KITT because he belives that KITT is and inferior production-line copy of him and he is the original and their shouldn't be another of his kind.T.b.77b (talk) 00:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
- First off, I don't think you know what "homophobic" means and I highly doubt KARR is that or has anything to do with it. For you other questions, the article explains why KARR is the way he is. He was programed for self-preservation, meaning his top priority was to maintain his existence. And when that directive was interfered with he did what he had to do to survive. He considered KITT a threat to his survival because KITT was a copy created with roughly the same capabilities, although KARR considered KITT inferior. Now imagine how pissed off you would be if you were KARR told to maintain yourself and they shut you down, put in storage for a couple years and replaced you with someone else. Cyberia23 (talk) 06:59, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, I still don't think homophobia can be ruled out as a cause. As was made clear on the KITT discussion page is that KITT is bisexual. This explains why KARR has it out for KITT seeing as how KITT is a non-comformist and a free thinker (who happens to work for the Reagan administration), and is not hemmed in by the religious teachings of its upbringing. KARR, on the other hand, is like on a roid-rage and obviously doesn't realize that a lot of muscle cars don't drive straight. Wasn't there one episode where there is a discussion about Beverly Hills Cop and something about a banana in a tailpipe? I will have to go through the whole box set of episodes again to find out for sure. Don't quote me just yet, but praise be to Hasselhoff for being so ahead of his time in tolerating KITT's diversity. Teetotaler 16 November, 2009 —Preceding undated comment added 19:58, 16 November 2009 (UTC).
Original K.A.R.R. vs 2008 K.A.R.R.
The KARR article implies that the K.A.R.R. that appears in the 2008 version of Knight Rider is the same one from the original series. I believe this is mistaken. When The new series opens in the Pilot movie it Ret-cons Dr Graiman as the original inventor of the original KITT and KARR back in the 80's. As the series progresses it's made fairly clear that the modern KARR is a new project and not the old KARR.
This new KARR is not evil because of Self-Preservation but because his AI was not taught morality and the value of human life. That's what the new KITT project was about. Teaching the AI morals and behavior so the new KARR wouldn't go nuts and kill everyone. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 23:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
- Where does it say he is the same KARR from the original series? It says "The new Knight Rider series is supposed to be a continuation, not a re-imagining of the original series, but it appears KARR has been "retconned" for the continuing franchise." It says he was "retconned" not the original. If you're referring to the part that said his chip was found by the NSA after his destruction in the original series was pure fan speculation and completely unsourced so it was removed. The show is a continuation of the original series, thus KITT's 80's TransAm bumper in Graiman's garage in the pilot and the appearance of Michael Knight (David Hasslehoff) means it's related to the original series. Graiman however was a completely new character added to the show and said to have worked with Wilton Knight to build KITT. There was no Dr. Graiman in the original series. KARR however was from the original series however his origin story has been complete changed and was retconned for the new series. So we're now to consider the battles with the TransAm KARR never happened. KARR was reintroduced to the new series so they could sell a few more episodes. Cyberia23 (talk) 06:32, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I think you're confused about what I ment or don't understand what retcon means. The Pilot Movie for the new series clearly establishes Dr Charles Graiman as the original inventor of KARR and KITT from the original series. In the original series (before the character of Charles Graiman was designed) Winston Knight was the inventor. That's one point. The second point is KARR. At the time I posted my comment the article stated that Original KARR and 2008 KARR were the same KARR. Meaning the same CHIP. This is never implied in the series. KARR's story wasn't changed or retconned in the new series. The 2008 KARR is a completely new KARR developed by Knight Industries and the NSA. The most recent episode was pretty clear on that. No mention of the KARR from the 80's is ever mentioned in the new series. That doesn't mean automatically mean the previous KARR didn't exist. That's why I posed this discussion and point here instead of making a change. KITT is a new chip and vehicle. It stands to reason that KARR is as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
- I ask you again... where does the article say that 80's KARR and 2008 KARR are exactly same - CPU, chip, AI, whatever? It doesn't. It did, but that was someone assuming that back in the 80's some NSA agent came out of nowhere and just happened to be wandering down into the ravine where KARR was destroyed and found his CPU chip in the mud and decided to time warp it to 2008 and put it inside this totally different version of KARR. I'm not the one who said that. That was someone else's speculation and it was deleted.
- The article, has always said that KARR was retconned for the new series - meaning this 2008 KARR is NOT the same as the 80's KARR yet they are BASED on the same character concept. Retconned means retroactive continuity... They are based on the same character, however they are meant to be different. Would you agree they are BASED on the same character?
- If took a guy from a 80's TV show, who smoked cigars and had blond hair, and I put him in a new modernized version of the same TV show, but this time made him a "her" with the same persona and the same name - they are still based on the same character. In this case Starbuck from Battlestar Galactica. Two characters who are clearly different - yet they're based on the same concept and share the same name. Thus, Starbuck was retconned for the new BSG series.
- Clearly, KARR in the 2008 show is BASED on the KARR of the 80's show, but I never said anywhere, that it was the EXACT SAME KARR. Cyberia23 (talk) 16:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
There is no clear evidence one way or another about if the KR08 KARR was the same AI as the original KARR or a completely different KARR altogether. I suggest that until clear evidence is presented that definitivly proves it one way or another that the article in question does not claim it as the original KARR, a new KARR that happens to share the name with the original or a that it is a retcon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 20:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- Once again, it is a recon - when you create a character based on a pre-existing character and change a bunch of things about it you just reconed it. Now get over it. Cyberia23 (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
- I think the truth is in the middle. As there are two KITTs in the continuity of the series (the 80's KITT [as seen in the pilot] and the new KR08 KITT) there are two KARRs. The old one of the 80's series and the new one of KR08. This does not mean that there is any connection between the two KARRs beside the name and the fact that both are a prototype of the KITT of their time. So it is neither the same KARR nor a retcon.--BECK's 20:00, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
- Just watched KITT vs KARR and during a small portion of that, not sure if the continuity people messed up, but it appears that the scanner light on the front of KARR is red for a small portion of the time that KARR is seen driving towards where Michael and KITT are parked on a side road. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2017 (UTC)