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Collage image[edit]

I propose a collage image be created especially for this article. This collage should have a panoramic view of the city itself, and photos or landmarks or significant spots in the city. This is standard practice for national capitals or large cities, and will help to resolve or at least minimize future conflicts, as it has to be approved by consensus.--RM (Be my friend) 17:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Mediation[edit]

Following a recent thread at WP:ANI, I have offered to mediate in a dispute between editors.

I consider that the mediation process is open to everyone. In particular, it is open to editors who have not previously been involved in this dispute, and to editors who have never edited this article.

I will post this message at the talk pages of Kabul and Kabul Province, at WP:ANI, and on the talk pages of the editors who appear to be involved already.

You may, if you wish, re-post this message elsewhere. If you choose to do so I strongly recommend you post this message and not a new message. I would also strong recommend you read and understand WP:CANVAS before doing so!

The mediation process will take place at User:TFOWR/Kabul.

Thank you! TFOWRThis flag once was red 15:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Panorama Removed?![edit]

I have added a panoramic view of the city since there wasn't one available several months ago. I just noticed that Hazaraguy have deleted that with no good reason. This is the article of 5 minutes before and this is the edit that has removed the Panorama picture. Does anyone know who this Hazaragay is and why did he remove the picture?
If the panorama picture is good to go, please confirm and we can reapply it to the article, if not we can leave it out.

A panoramic view of east side of Kabul city during daylight.

SiarFisher (talk) 21:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I am sure it was an aesthetic judgement on whether to include the image or not. You can just include it again to see if it will stay. IMHO, Panoramas are not very good fit in most articles. They are usually not about anything in particular and take up more space than other images. --MarsRover (talk) 04:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Well I'm not saying it's a good picture but it's good to have a panorama here since almost every capital on WP has one. I'll try to add in again to see what would happen! SiarFisher (talk) 18:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Try to get a better, more representative image. That's just a bunch of apartment buildings on an anonymous street with some clouds in the background. It's not even a panorama. It's just a fisheyed photo. Of an anonymous street with some clouds. — LlywelynII 23:53, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Areas of city[edit]

The section "Areas of city" seems completely useless to me. Its main purpose should have been to enlist the principal areas and neighbourhoods of the city, but I am afraid such a listing would be imperfect and each IP address will continue adding one or two irrelevant names. First, we have to determine which areas and neighbourhoods to be added; according to which criteria; should we only enlist the historical and commercially-important areas?. If we continue adding all the areas, we will end up having around 100 names, which would be completely irrelevant. I just deleted a large number of entries (around 25 names) - some were redundant, some were the names of some Bus Stations (!!), and others were situated completely out of the city.

Secondly, the listing does not follow the logic of the administrative division of the Kabul City; so what's the point of that? Kabul city has been divided to 18 districts; and these namings are not compatible with that. Finally, the transliteration (spelling) of these names are all incorrect. For example "Kartey" is in fact "Karta-ye" (کارتهء) which is originally a French word "quartier" meaning "district". In addition, separate articles created for some of the areas (such as Murrad Khani, Dashti Barchi, Taimany, Kartey Parwan, Kartey Naw, Karte Seh, and Char Qala) do not meet up with the Wikipedia:Notability criteria.

I propose to delete the section, and to mention the notable areas such as Kharabat and Wazir Akbar Khan (Kabul) in other paragraphs in the article. Cabolitæ (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. AtticusX (talk) 12:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
In looking at other city articles (New York City, London, etc) they all have a section about areas of the city. So, I wouldn't just removed the section especially if the only reason is its a hard to maintain. Can we just add criteria so people can easily tell if a section is not notable. Perhaps just add the standard city districts and add a comment that says "don't change this" above them. --MarsRover (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, not all city articles has such a section (for ex. Islamabad, New Delhi, etc.). And I think, if New York city, London, or Paris articles have such a section, it is because there needs to be a section like that, as each of those neighborhoods are commercially and politically important; which is not the case with Kabul.
The main point is that the neighborhoods in Kabul are not officially or administratively defined or determined unlike Baghdad, for example. The official administrative division divides the city into 18 districts, that's all. Beyond that, there is no sub-division defined neither by the Kabul Municipality, nor by the Kabul Province Prefecture. These given names of the neighbourhoods are usually unofficial, and there is no exact definition over its coverage or area limit. Cabolitæ (talk) 20:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Errors in Map of Antiquity - replace[edit]

I am new to WikiPedia but immediately noticed that the map used in the antiquity section is very POOR. 1st, it has a question mark (?) in what is today Turkmenistan & 2nd, look any any map & you'll find Armenia to the northwest of Greece - NOT where it's shown here... I hope that someone who is more proficient w/ maps can find a better source for this image!

201.173.54.177 (talk) 06:32, 12 June 2011 (UTC) Gracias, R.

The map does not display the current political division of the region. It displays the name of the regions only in 5th and 6th centuries AD. Therefore, the question mark on the region what is now Turkmenistan simply means that the author does not know what it was called back then (in 6th century) -- not that the author does not know that it's Turkmenistan down there! The boundaries of regions bearing the same name as today were not exactly the same in 6th century as what it is now today. So one must not make a comparison of the map with today's political boundaries. Cabolitæ (talk) 09:37, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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ancient kabul[edit]

pusya was a son of bharat,brother of lord rama.he found a city in memory of lord hanuman named kapisthala.kapi means ape and sthala means place.then it was called kapithalla,kapthila,kabila and kabul later at muslim era. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.47.115.254 (talk) 18:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

A, sign your posts. =)
B, source? "Place of Apes" seems both specious and vandaly. — LlywelynII 23:56, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

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Discussion of Etymology, Ancient History[edit]

Is a mash of poorly-sourced conjecture. The entire section could do with a new map and a good scrubbing by way of the good folks at the Encyclopedia of Islam's article on Kabul. — LlywelynII 00:00, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Age of Kabul[edit]

I've removed a suggestion it could date to 3000BC which was based on a false dating of the Rig Veda. I'm not at all clear that academic sources claim that the Rig Veda definitely mentions Kabul as a city. We aren't even sure about Ptolemy, and I can find no reliable sources that give it a definite BCE date. The BBC site used as a source despite saying the Rig Veda mentions it also says it was built up around the Bala Hissar fort, dating to around 500 CE. Dougweller (talk) 11:32, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Population figures[edit]

How do we get 2011 figures from a 2009 source? Dougweller (talk) 11:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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Mirwais Mena[edit]

There is a community called Mirwais Mena in Kandahar.... (regarding the section listing communities whose location is as yet unspecified in Kabul) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.160.115 (talk) 11:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Unintuitive piped links[edit]

The section 'NATO presence and the Karzai administration' (stable link) contains several unintuitive piped links:

  • [[2008 Kabul Serena Hotel attack|Serena Hotel]]
  • [[2009 UN guest house attack in Kabul|UN guest house]]
  • [[February 2009 Kabul raids|Ministry of Justice]]
  • [[Attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul|Indian Embassy]]

Such links should be avoided or modified (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Piped links and Wikipedia:Piped link#Intuitiveness for additional information). Thank you, -- Black Falcon (talk) 17:30, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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Population[edit]

I've noticed the back and forth on this, and I think we need better sourcing. The cited sourced does not say anything about metro area, but assuming its 3.2 million figure for the city proper is correct, the metro-area population is larger. We shouldn't say it's 4 million without a source, but we certainly can't say it's 3.2 million. Rivertorch (talk) 22:18, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

The 3.2 million seems to be correct. The organization who does this work in Afghanistan gives "3,289,000" for the city of Kabul, [1], which is considered a metropolitan area if you look at how the city is laid out at google maps, and 3,950,300 for the entire Kabul Province (640,900 rural + 3,309,400 urban = roughly 4 million).--182.177.30.14 (talk) 18:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Hmm. That makes good sense. Still, we need to be careful to avoid synthesis. Rivertorch (talk) 19:55, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Timeline of Kabul[edit]

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 15:48, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Reason for lack of safety[edit]

The article says, when talking about the bus service "Flying is safer, especially for foreigners." If the article could elaborate on that, and say why bus travel is less safe, and what the danger is. Vinay93 (talk) 18:43, 18 July 2015 (UTC)