Talk:Kamsa

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Links to Kanishka?[edit]

Is there any established link with the historical king Kanishka? Wiki-uk (talk) 04:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Human/Asura/rakshasa[edit]

Removed:

non-WP:RS
- [1] is self-published ref so it is not WP:RS
- [2] Book of modern poems
WP:OR: Books using "demon", don't say rakshasa or asura, though used interchangably some times; these are different species in Hindu mythology.
[3] "The Mythology Bible: The Definitive Guide to Legendary Tales"
[4] Hinduism By Madhu Bazaz Wangu

Handbook of Hindu Mythology by well-known publisher Oxford University Press and The Divine Consort: Rādhā and the Goddesses of India (peer-reviewed) say that he was human in early texts and is described as an asura (NOT rakshasa) in later texts, which is WP:NEUTRAL statement, then saying all texts call him a demon/asura.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 19:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kansa vs Kamsa[edit]

Hi All, May I know the specific reason of keeping this title of the article as Kamsa instead of the correct Sanskrit/hindi name Kansa . IPs are changing to Kansa and expectedly so. --DBig Xray 18:47, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: and @Redtigerxyz: any thoughts on this ? I would like to move this page to Kansa, but want to generate WP:CONSENSUS first. --DBig Xrayᗙ 14:49, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, Kamsa is correct. According to Sanskrit phonetics, a nasal consonant preceding s- is m. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:54, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kautilya3, thanks for your kind opinion. I am not very familiar with phonetics from Sanskrit to English (so will not disagree with you) but our titles are based on WP:COMMONNAME and a large number of sources use Kansa instead of Kamsa. in fact i wasnt even aware of Kamsa spelling before reading it on wiki. check the google hits of "kansa krishna" and "kamsa krishna" without quotes. what do you feel about the common name ? --DBig Xrayᗙ 16:32, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sanskrit phonetics for nasal consonants can be seen in the table at Sanskrit#Consonants. For each category of plosive consonants, a particular nasal consonant assigned. For approximants and frigatives, it is m. That is why it is samskrtam, not sanskrit. Of course, individual pronunciation varies. I suspect that the Hindi speakers generally prefer n to m.

As for WP:COMMONNAME, you need to check "independent, reliable English language sources". If you see Google Books, among those that use Kamsa, you find plenty of scholarly books. For Kansa, they are more popular books. On the whole, I think there is no need to change. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Most scholarly references use Kamsa [5][6]. The Sanskrit pronunciation has a m; however the nis a Hindi variation. No article name change is needed IMO.--Redtigerxyz ^Talk 11:12, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Kautilya3: and @Redtigerxyz: Thanks a lot for replying on my request. I will go with your WP:CONSENSUS Based on your comments, I have now dropped my plan of renaming this page. regards.--DBig Xrayᗙ 11:24, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning up page?[edit]

I'm just a casual reader, but I noticed a few problems with this article and I was wondering if anybody could fix them

1. It looks like there is a deleted chunk of text in the intro and the information on his earlier life (before he became king) in the intro is missing. It may have been deleted or perhaps it was never typed at all, but I'm not sure

2. The article neglects to mention the conflict between Kamsa and Krishna at all, only mentioning the manner in which he died by Krishna's hands. In Krishna's myths, Kamsa sent most of the demons that attacked him but this isn't talked about at all, which I find strange because his conflict with Krishna is probably what he is most known for

3. The language in this article just seems off in general. Some examples include:

"Ugrasena's wife was having sexual thoughts for her husband. Gandharva, able to read her mind transformed into Ugrasena and participated in the act with her".

There is probably a more tactful way to describe this myth than this

"Gandharva tells about the power of the child who is going to take birth, describing this child being between a human and a Gandharva, however, an angered Ugrasena's wife in rage curses the child to become the ill-named Rakshasa. Gandharva fearing the curse being directed at him, adds to the curse and even he curses the child that he will be troubled by his own and flees the place" (from the same section)

Although there is nothing wrong with the explanation itself, there isn't much detail in this paragraph, some words are missing, and the verb tenses are off as well

In general, the grammar in this page is off as well, with bad verb tenses and some mistaken capitalizations.

Thanks for reading this and hopefully the page gets improved soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanidumalinga (talk • contribs) 03:57, 1 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Schwa deletion vandalism[edit]

Please fix vandalism by 188.70.20.13 as they replaced classical terms with colloquial language 2600:6C58:4300:3C11:B017:BC4D:416E:1C58 (talk) 14:58, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]