Talk:Karađorđe

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Name/title[edit]

I'm sure that there are articles in English in books and encyclopedias about this person, but they're not going to be in this fashionable Romanization. Yes, it's thrilling to have the Serbian government, or whoever, officially prescribe a Romanization from the Cyrillic, and to try to impose it upon all peoples who use the Latin alphabet, but there surely are articles in English about this person that can't be accessed because they couldn't possibly use the remarkable characters used in his name. (I'm sure that that's not the letter eth.) This article, and all others trying the same trick, should include the standard terms in English -- or just keep to the Serbian Wikipedia. 64.69.127.105 (talk) 19:51, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The current title is completely unacceptable. Can anyone point to any major sources in English that use this unfamiliar character when referring to this man? This probably should just be at Kara George. john k (talk) 17:16, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
It's the letter dje. Aleksamil (talk) 16:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

D, I see that you deleted a lot of text from the article as unverifiable. Could you return it and only delete POV? I translated the article from Sveznanje which is a reputable source, so when they say that he killed a Turk before joining Freikorps or that he was tipped about Dahias' intentions, it probably was so. Nikola 10:13, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I consulted other sources while writing the stuff. I'd rather have us here dissect all of it because I removed stuff which I couldn't verify (and Sveznanje version didn't look good). According to sources I consulted (I did it from a library, so I should be able to find those books again) there was no mention of killing a Turk before joining Freikorps. I'll try to consult more sources and see if I overlooked it. As far as the tip goes, sure, that seems valid. Sveznanje obviously isn't that reputable, as their version was rather POV, so why assume factual accuracy?
Maybe current historians don't consider that bit interesting or important. As Sveznanje was written during Karadjordjevic's rule, it could be expected that there will be some POV. But I don't see what would anyone gain from writing that Karadjordje killed a Turk if that didn't happen. Nikola 13:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, it's not just about deleting POV stuff, it's also about making the article read NPOV and balanced. --dcabrilo 10:23, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I added the stuff about killing a Turk as well, but will double check. --dcabrilo 10:26, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Look, that was just an example. You deleted more. For example that he distinguished in an attempt to capture the Kalemegdan. Nikola 13:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Murder of George's father[edit]

M. E. Durham writes in "Twenty Years Of Balkan Tangle"

...In 1787 a panic seized the peasants when an Austrian attack upon the Turks was expected. To save themselves and their flocks from the approaching Turkish army they fled in crowds, hurrying to cross the Save and finding safety in Austria. George's father was very reluctant to go, and on reaching the river would not cross it. George, in a blind fury, refusing either to stay himself and make terms with the Turks, or to leave his father behind, snatched the pistol from his sash and shot the old man down. Then, shouting to a comrade to give his father a death-blow, for he was still writhing, George hurried on, leaving behind him a few cattle to pay for the burial and the funeral feast.

This amazing account is most probably well-refuted, but shouldn't it be added to the article? With refutation, of course. -- Tiphareth 02:33, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually no, the story is true (except that it was his stepfather). Nikola 09:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Apparently there are many concurrent versions (stepfather, patricide because of father's betrayal, and also a patricide due to George's mother's insistence upon his betrayal). Fratricide on top of it as well. Some of these are due to a character assassination campain by Russian envoy Rodofinikin. Here is a good account of some versions (in Russian): "РАЗЫСКАНИЕ ОБ ОТЦЕУБИЙСТВЕ". I expect that adding such lurid details would incur patriotic wrath and speedy revert (at least that's what typically happens in Russian and Polish sectors of Wiki in such cases). --Tiphareth 11:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I think not if it's done in thoughtful way. Information about character assassination might be especially interesting, as I never heard of it, it's apparenly not being paid much attention to in our history. Nikola 09:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Napoleon's quote[edit]

I'm not really sure about Napoelon's supposed quote about Karađorđe. First of all, most of the sources where I actually found the quote were Serbian nationalist forums, except for this one online newspaper article. Secondly, the translation of the quote is very poor and, grammatically, quite atrocious. Thirdly, I couldn't find any sources for the date of the quote, and this date makes it sound as though he said it at the Battle of Aspern-Essling, and as I said, I could not find a source to confirm that. I decided to just tag it with [unreliable source?], but in my opinion it should be completely removed. Aleksamil (talk) 16:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

The talk has had no response, I'm deleting the quote for unverifiability. Aleksamil (talk) 18:54, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
Also, it seems to me that it isn't neutral - it seems to be historical revisionism? Aleksamil (talk) 19:00, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Name[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 19:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


Karađorđe PetrovićKarađorđe

Primary topic, he is predominantly referred to as simply "Karađorđe" - as per Napoleon.--Zoupan 06:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

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Brithday[edit]

Karadjordje wasn't born on November the 3rd, he was born on November the 16th, because on November the 16th is Saint George day in Serbian Ortodox calendar, and there were tradition amongs the Serbs to give names afther the saint on which day their children were born. Karaddjordje was given name in honour of Stn George...Also look on Serbian wikipedia ...212.200.65.121 (talk) 11:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Summary paragraph[edit]

I made some formatting and grammatical updates for ease of reading, it was pretty tough going before. I'd appreciate someone taking a look to make sure these updates don't accidentally change anything factual. Kduckworth (talk) 18:16, 28 July 2014 (UTC)