Talk:Karl G. Maeser

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Removed quotes section[edit]

I removed the quotes section:

"I have been asked what I mean by 'word of honor.' I will tell you. Place me behind prison walls--walls of stone ever so high, ever so thick, reaching ever so far into the ground--there is a possibility that in some way or another I may escape; but stand me on the floor and draw a chalk line around me and have me give my word of honor never to cross it. Can I get out of the circle? No. Never! I'd die first!"[1]

"The fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Wisdom. This life is one great object lesson to practice on the principles of immortality and eternal life. Man grows with his higher aims. Let naught that is unholy enter here" (written on a chalk board during his Nov. 9th, 1900 visit to Maeser Elementary School in Provo, Utah.)[2]


I feel they are better suited for a wikiquotes page. They aren't necessary in an encyclopedic entry like a wikipedia page. They also take up space in the article and I don't want it to get too long since more quotes could be added in the future. While they are good quotes and reflect Maeser's character and philosophies, they would be more appropriate in a separate page. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

removed information[edit]

I removed the following paragraph:

Although this was largely to create interest in Utah, the state and the church were so intertwined that advancing one advanced the other. Maeser and his associates rented a hall in which church members held meetings along with new friends they had developed through the Utah exhibit. This was a key component behind the organization of the California Mission of the church

because there was no citation to support it. If you find a source for the information, I would be happy to include the information again. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 22:29, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


I removed a link to a photo: [1] Archived September 28, 2007, at the Wayback Machine.

The photo was listed as a reference and it doesn't have any information about Maeser. I don't know if the image is public domain or if we can use it at all. I chose to remove it. If you would like to include it under external links, I think that would be alright as long as we can find more information about the actual picture. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 22:26, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

I also removed the following information:

Karl had a total of 11 children, several of which died in infancy.[3]

The cite was already questioned as being credible. The link only goes to the main page of familysearch.org and the archived versions link to there as well. In "called to teach" there is a list of his children which I have included in the infobox. I don't see a need for this information, since we now have names of his children from a reliable source. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 22:50, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


I removed the following references: Wilkinson, Ernest. 1962 speeches of the Year, p. 7 Conference Report, October 1950, p. 32

The first doesn't seem to be complete. I checked in the BYU library and there doesn't seem to be any mention of Maeser's students in BYU's 1962 speeches of the year books. If anyone can find the source for this information, or if there is more information about this source, please include it in the article. The other reference I found online and it does not say anything about Maeser teaching any of those students. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 21:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ "Honor Code - Home". Honorcode.byu.edu. Retrieved 2014-04-12. 
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference byu_chalkboards was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ "LDS Ancestral file records". Retrieved 2009-02-08. [unreliable source?]

Removed note[edit]

I removed a reference note from the opening paragraph: A search of the BYU website for "Karl Maeser" generates 658 references, such as "BYU's legacy of success dates back to 1876, when Karl G. Maeser began his term as its first permanent principal" <http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/43902>

A search engine results list isn't reliable information and doesn't necessarily tell you anything about a person. I cited the information from a different source, but removed this note and link. The link doesn't work anyway. Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 18:44, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup tag[edit]

First paragraph seems to need a bit of copyediting; the bio should be wikified. --Hansnesse 21:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Two Grave Markers?[edit]

Why are their two grave markers? Did they split his body in half and bury it in two places? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.187.80.2 (talk) 16:34, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

Song to memory[edit]

Including the full text of the song to his memory seems to be a bit excessive. -- 159.182.1.4 20:41, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Karl G. Maeser/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Jaguar (talk · contribs) 18:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


Hi, I will be reviewing this against the GA criteria as part of a GAN sweep. I'll leave some comments soon. JAGUAR  18:37, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguations: No links found.

Linkrot: No linkrot found in this article.

Checking against the GA criteria[edit]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
    "He left for Europe in May 1867, leaving his family in a poor financial state." - this part needs a citation
    "He was an example of hard work, dedication and faithfulness. His ideas on educational philosophy, the honor system, and incorporation of religious classes continue to be implemented at Brigham Young University, where the Maeser Building is named after him." - I couldn't find this in any source (unless I missed it)
  2. Ref 20 is missing an access date
  3. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
    No original research found.
  4. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  5. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  6. It is stable.
    No edit wars, etc.:
  7. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  8. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Excellent article! It is well written, comprehensive and all of the sources are verifiable. I can see that it is well researched, so it meets every aspect of the GA criteria. Good article JAGUAR  19:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC)