Talk:Keith Mann

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"had elephant urine thrown over him by an angry clown"[edit]

I hate it when that happens ;) Rockpocket 00:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

LOL!! ;-D
Good work, by the way, with your recent edits. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 00:59, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Likewise. I don't have access to his book and couldn't find decent sources for much other than his arrests - its nicely balanced now, with your additions. I'm going to work on Neal D. Barnard this evening (a certain NealBarnard (talk · contribs) has given it a fine dusting of white paint). Would you mind copy editing for me when I'm done, to ensure balance? Rockpocket 01:08, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
Will do, and feel free to rebalance the balance if required. :-) SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 01:21, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

See also section[edit]

I have removed the two (2) internal links since they are already linked in the article. What is up with adding them back?? --Tom 21:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Where are they linked in the article? SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 21:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
At the bottom, in the Animal rights box. Also, how are you doing? Cheers, --Tom (talk) 21:22, 4 December 2007 (UTC)ps, I have been trying to do mindless house cleaning lately around here :) --Tom (talk) 21:23, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm fine, thanks. Something's being on the template doesn't mean it can't also be in See also. The latter is for things directly relevant to the subject of the article, rather than just relevant to the subject of the template. In this case, Mann has done a lot to promote veganism, particularly through his campaign to help prisoners who want to be vegans, and he was interviewed extensively for the film that was linked. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 23:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
Maybe they(the two see alsos I removed) can/should be worked into the article perhaps? I will try to do that over the next couple of days. Thanks, --Tom (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I think they're fine as See alsos. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 07:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
I will try to work them into the article and then remove them. Is that ok? --Tom (talk) 14:49, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
What is wrong with them as See alsos? SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 18:53, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Please refer to WP:GTL#See_also, specifically about See also sections. And no, I am not trying to be a pain by referring a very experienced editor and admin to this.--Tom (talk) 20:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
You're misinterpreting it, and it's anyway only a guideline. It's not appropriate to go around forcing internal links into articles just to get rid of the See also section. But it's really not worth arguing about, Tom. This article is in the process of being re-written and is in a state of flux anyway. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 20:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
OK sounds good, I have removed those see also links and have also reverted the GTL section and commented there. --Tom (talk) 20:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

(outdent) Slim, I have reverted the See also links BACK into the article and will NOT edit this article anymore but will defer to you. I will take this to the GTL talk page and work it out there. I have NOT been removing see also articles from pages unless they are already linked. I will try to tone down the drama as well. Cheers --Tom (talk) 21:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Much appreciated. SlimVirgin (talk)(contribs) 21:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Quick note on edits - one police accusation printed in one newspaper article does not constitute "widely considered". The accusation is not plausible as the ALF is a decentred network and not a formal organisation, and as such does not have a pyramid (anyone who commits an action within ALF guidelines can claim to be acting on behalf of the ALF). Either the police don't have any idea what they're talking about and like to imagine horizontal networks to be similar in form to their own organisations, or this kind of nonsense is for propaganda purposes only.

Someone should also hunt down the details of the evidence and accusations - the current version is too biased towards the state's side. The explosives conviction for instance (the main reason for the long sentence?), I'd heard was for possession of fertiliser. Ditto the "contempt" conviction - the version I've heard is that he responded after being verbally abused by an opponent. The laws used in each case (contempt, conspiracy) are pretty much bogus in any case, the former being convicted without due process and in any case being a thought crime, the latter having been repeatedly abused as a way to convict people who couldn't be accused of any substantive crime, e.g. the GANDALF case. Something should be added about mistreatment in prison as well. (talk) 10:48, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I have removed the entire Harlan Interfauna section as it is incorrect and based on a misreading of the book From Dusk 'til Dawn. Most of the book is written in the first person by Keith, but the section about the 1990 raid on Harlan Interfauna is a several-page quote written by John Curtin in the first person. So it was John, not Keith who was convicted and imprisoned for this. Lurch23 (talk) 21:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the sentence about Keith being sent to prison for an attack on a fox hunter's property in 1992. I think this is a misunderstanding based on the riot at Alan Summersgill's house soon after hunt sab Mike Hill had died under the wheels of his vehicle. Keith was found not guilty of this offence. Lurch23 (talk) 22:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

New World Order Conspiracy Theories[edit]

I'm surprised that this article seems to make no reference at all to Keith's apparent obsession with the so-called 'New World Order' - the secret cabal that supposedly runs the world - and their alleged plans for the human race.

Having listened to an interview with him on The Tommy Boyd Show on the now defunct Play Radio UK from December 2008 (available here at approx 1:00:00), this particular subject, along with conspiracy theories related to 9/11 and the British Royal Family among other things, would appear to be the most important issue he believes the world should know about - more so even than his animal activism.

He cites David Icke as an influence, and a lot of the theories he mentions seem to broadly follow Icke's world view. Much of this is outlined on Keith's own website here. Conrad1on (talk) 12:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)