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It's very possible that Kevin Alderman himself wrote this as one long drawn out advertizement for his enterprises. I attempted to edit some of this, but the whole thing appears to be written by the man or one of his associates for promoting such things as Eros 3-d and,etc.

Status and Advice[edit]

Well, as the reviewing admin, and with the help of other editors, the worst of the spam has been removed. Further attention is needed. I agree with the removal of content on his new project, since it will not be released until 2010. It would be desirable to integrate the reviews and the like from the last section into the article, and to simplify the chronology of his business endeavors. DGG ( talk ) 02:11, 31 October 2009 (UTC) .

General Agreement[edit]

I agree with the preceeding 'status and advice'. I DO believe that the subject DOES merit a page on wikipedia as he IS noteworthy. It seems some what daunting as the tone seems to be one of a press release or autobiographical as opposed to encylcopedic. Perhaps others with knowlege of the subject should clean this up some. For example, the Title should be changed to Stroker Serpentine as opposed to Kevin Alderman as Kevin Alderman has achieved noteriety only as an aside. The bulk of the subjects achievements were created within virtual worlds AS Stroker Serpentine. Googling either name results in greater results under Stroker Serpentine. Use of the title Kevein Alderman further pointstothe posibility that Kevin wrote the article himself. --Martinbane (talk) 16:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

thanks Evil saltine[edit]

My first redirect! sorry. however i feel it is warranted, due to the natureof the subject. thanks for correcting the move. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinbane (talkcontribs) 06:37, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I wrote this page.[edit]

I'm a friend of Kevin's, and I wrote this page. Questioning its neutrality is silly, as a third party DID write this and it is not autobiographical. What you see going on here, this flurry of action in the past two or three days, is some seriously juvenile reactions from some of Second Life griefers - and that's the truth of the matter regarding this. As you can see, they have blanked the page several times. should be locked.

Why would you remove content about an upcoming project in 2010? Just because it hasn't occurred yet doesn't mean that it isn't in planning and doesn't exist in planning stages. The wikipedia page can always be updated to reflect the status of the project as it goes on.

The Kevin Alderman title should stay, as Kevin is the person behind the avatar and is the businessman building around his avatar. Why would you change it? Notoriety is silly; if someone searches "Stroker Serpentine" they pop up this page anyway, and there are numerous references to Stroker and Kevin both. There is no questioning that they are one and the same.

"The bulk of the subjects achievements were created within virtual worlds AS Stroker Serpentine." Only IN Second Life. He's begun work outside of Second Life now.

Smiletenshi (talk) 21:24, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

That is wiki policy[edit]

Smile Tenshi are you THE Tenshi. the revisions here are well with in accordance with the policies of this site. before you create another vanity advertizment piece reading up on policies heremight help. you see Wikipedia doesnot allow future products to be discussed as they may never come to fruittion —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

As the author Smile, couldu cleanup the tone. Makeit more encyclopedic? --Martinbane (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


What does my name have to do with what's written on this page? It is, in my opinion, within the policies of Wikipedia and it is also within the policies of Wikipedia for myself to dispute these changes.

Smiletenshi (talk) 00:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


I for one nominated this article for a speedy deletion;but I agreed with final dispensation. Stroker Serpentine DOES merit an article on wikipedia. I deleted the part about Eros 3d as it is a as yet to be developed product and the editors agreed. Smile, there are certain standards we must all follow here on wikipedia. A wikipedia article is NOT meant to be a personal advertizing platform or a vanity piece. Itis meantto be a source of enclyopedic knowledge. Thank you for your cotributions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinbane (talkcontribs) 03:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC) --Martinbane (talk) 16:19, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

More on this...[edit]

Since we are going to be going on about all of this lets add in the rest of Stroker Serpentines story. Shall we? —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:45, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not an advertisement.[edit]

It is, however, self-promotion in a very vague manner, the same as any person's page on Wikipedia. It's ridiculous to even attempt to dismiss this as just a promotional piece. It's about as promotional as these seemingly allowed & okay'd Wikipedia pages:

I fail to see your criticism of the piece.

Smiletenshi (talk) 15:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


If this is THE Tenshi from second life are we supposed to forget the fact that YOU ARE SUSPECTED to be Kevin Alderman? I mean just as you run the Stroker Serpentine Avatar so too do you run female avatars (Stroker Girlz) and are highly suspected of being Tenchi!

Anyway advertizments are grounds for a cleaning. Wikipedia is a place for KNOWLEDGE and NOT self promotion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:55, 1 November 2009 (UTC) --Martinbane (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The Work continues[edit]

cleaned up some references grammer and etc. I believe some of the information in cluded in the virtual law section under the eros vs. Linden research paragraph might betterbe served in a seperate section entitled "Contraversy" as this figure most certainly has generated some over time.--Martinbane (talk) 19:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC)


Sweetheart, I don't have the TIME nor the interest to run multiple avatars/accounts/personalities online. WYSIWYG.

Stop griefing this page.

Smiletenshi (talk) 03:38, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

the work continues. sources being sifted. --Martinbane (talk) 02:40, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

more stuff[edit]

delved more into things, undid the last edit as it is a valid one reportedsomewhat widely. As for validity of sources MANY more than the origional source has reported on this. more can and shall be added inthe future as necessary. it is a developing part of this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinbane (talkcontribs) 01:11, 24 November 2009 (UTC) --Martinbane (talk) 01:21, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Moved page back to Stroker Serpentine. One should really compare this page to another noted Second Life(R) avatar's Wikipedia page. That of Anshe Chung. Both subjects achieved their noteriety under their avatar names and most properly should be referenced here bythose avatar names as their real world names remain largely unkown. --Martinbane (talk) 01:44, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

General Agreement[edit]

HandThatFeeds (talk | contribs) (15,501 bytes) (Undid revision 327590520 by Martinbane (talk), this bit doesn't work, very confusingly worded) (undo)

i agree with that but in point of fact thesubject gained noteriety under the nom d'voyage Stroker Serpentine. Kevin Alderman is largely unkown. W/e noteriety he has gained is AS Stroker or in reference to stroker but the article pounds the name Kevin A. over and over. it reads autobiographical and as a vanity piece. The areticle needs to be cleaned even rewritten totally from word one. I'll try the leading paragraph to remain proactive. i welcome reedits of my next revision --Martinbane (talk) 05:06, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

this is an autobiography[edit]

Kevin/Stroker wrote the origional version of this piece. I can tell by his locutions. I spent several hours correcting a peculiar grammatical error: the overuse of quotation marks, specificlly when none are required. It is a peculiar error in that most people arent guilty of it. In Kevin/Stroker's writing it would be termed an affectation. Look in early versions of the article in history to see it. Then consider this from a posting by him in the Second Life Forums:

Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine And yet, Linden Lab has allowed it to continue across multiple threads and pages upon pages of posts, violating multiple posting guidelines. Even after the threads have been reported repeatedly. But hey, everyone gets to play, right?

I will not comment on my business here. Under the circumstances I couldn't if I wanted to.

For the record, a certain mouse has the keys to the nest. Check your ip addy's Dumpy, you've been had. Sorry

A true "journalist" always considers the source (code). I hope it doesn't affect your integrity or advertiser revenue. But then you get paid by the click anyways? Right?

I do appreciate the promotion though. Keep it coming!

Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy your turkey. See you soon


Originally Posted by Stroker Serpentine Actually B, "Ole Dump" is quite literate you see. Even attended one of them thar "unavercities". We all have a role to play right Dumpster?

BTW, I'm giving 2 to 1 on Wake over Duke on saturday..any takers?

Though I believe this articleis autobiographical I believe it can be rescued. --Martinbane (talk) 17:15, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

can stroker serpentine edit his own article? what about neutrality --Martinbane (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

bad use of quote marks[edit]

in an ongoing attemt to clean this up plese refer to --Martinbane (talk) 22:28, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


I reverted bac to where a picture i own of the subject is visible. It has been noted and aceeded by admins that the proper title of this article is Stroker Serpentine as that is the name under which the subject is most commonly known and the name under which much which he has achieved WAS achieved. It is not wrong to have a picture of the avatar in the article . perhaps not in the place it is in. If you own a picture of Kevin Alderman perhaps it would be best in that spot.

compare Stroker Serpentine to Anshe Chung


it should be noted that the subject himself is plowing through this article making changes. care should be given to such edits as surely they can not be seen as objective im gonna check to see if these were clear cut faCT changes or vanity changes. it would help if Stroker would disccus said changes in talk —Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinbane (talkcontribs) 02:43, 30 November 2009 (UTC) --Martinbane (talk) 02:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Stroker Serpentine[edit]

this is an incoherent topic in that the subject Kevin Alderman has gained whatever noteriety he HAS gained under his avatar name. This nom d'voyage is how he is known whereas the name Kevin Alderman is chiefly unknown. compare this article with Anshe Chung. I edited the article once changing the first lines to read similarly to this "Anshe Chung is the main avatar (online personality) of Ailin Graef in the online world Second Life." from Anshe Chung. The reasoning behind this is that Ailin Graef remains chiefly unkonwn like Kevin Alderman. The problem is that Stroker Serpentine in all likelihood wrote the article and wants itto read that way. At present the article is ambiguious.--Martinbane (talk) 02:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC) a disambiguation page woud be appropriate if people actually search for kevin alderman and I believe that was the origional name of the topic and so a disambiguation page already exists

I should like to try an edit similar to the one i meantioned above. --Martinbane (talk) 02:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

citations for this exist[edit]

The Amsterdam sim was purchased by (a division of Netherlands-based media company Boom BV). The sale made international headlines as the first publicly sold virtual world only properties sold on Ebay. utilizes the simulator as an online social network and cooperative marketing medium for their established web presences.

they should be put in i dont want to simply remove everything --Martinbane (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

What relevance does this have to the current article, though? — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 12:22, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

simple. add sources or remove it. as it reads it would appear that the Amsterdam sim was sold to these people for 50,000usd when it most certainly was not. --Martinbane (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I was trying to figure out what you were talking about. i didn't know that first paragraph was even in the article. :P Yeah, it can be removed as unsourced, and I don't see what it adds to the article in the first place. — The Hand That Feeds You:Bite 23:11, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Alderman v. Stroker[edit]

While this Wikipedia article is titled by the name most common to the subject, it does not mean that the subject should be referred to by the same name throughout. I don't think avatars can file lawsuits, patent applications, etc. Therefore, the name to be used in this article should be Alderman, not Stroker. TNXMan 12:45, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

i agree though it is somewhat tricky as exactly HALF of what the subject achieved WAS in fact achieved AS the avatar Stroker Serpentine for example Alderman applied for and recieved a registered trademark for virtual goods Stroker Serpentine sells soley in world as the Avatar Stroker Serpentine in Second Life. So it is dicey at best. One of his legal cases has been termed 'avatar vs avatar' by a real world legal institute etc etc. If Stroker sells sexbeds in second life under a registered trademark (obtained in real life) it is not wrong to say Stroker obtained a trademark. User:Martinbane|Martinbane]] (talk) 17:13, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

DCMA takedown citation[edit]

I read through reference 9 and couldn't find any evidence of a takedown notice being carried out. I see mention it being filed, but not acted on. Has the website been edited? I won't remove the uncited info, but someone else may wish to look into it.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I reworded that section and added dubious + citation needed to his football career.--Canoe1967 (talk) 15:53, 26 April 2012 (UTC)