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I changed the description of keynsham.co.uk from "the town's official website" to "a website with information about the town" as I am pretty certain it is not the "official" website (if there is such a thing). If you want to change it to something less cumbersome then go ahead.


Does anyone know whether it's Horace Bachelor or Batchelor? Googling for the two variants comes out about evens. Shantavira 20:31, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What else is needed to get this article to GA?[edit]

I've been editing this article to try to bring it closer to the guidelines at WP:UKCITIES and would be interested in what other editors think is need to get it to meet the Wikipedia:Good article criteria? Obviously we need to revise the lead to summarise the article & reference (or remove) the uncited claims, but is there anything else which would be required?— Rod talk 08:16, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Keynsham/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Aha! Another place my ancestors came from (though it was recorded as Gloucestershire...) - anyway.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:37, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

It is home to memorial park, - "a memorial park? or "It is home to Memorial Park,"
Capitalised as proper name
Be nice to expand the first para of History a little - you mention scattered Roman remains and then all you serve up is a couple of lousy coffins :)
Added a bit re mosaic etc
Again, any political colour that can be added to the governance section all the better. reads a little generic as is.
Added town & district council wards + parties & MP
...six left-bank fields... link or explain
Reworded
I don't get much of a feel for Memorial Park - is it mainly woodland or mainly open-space fields? Any other features to it?
Expanded this quite a bit
Culture section could be buffed some more. How long's the festival been going?
Added a bit - festival only since late 1990s
Noteworthy residents section should be converted into prose - surely there is some Bill Bailey material which can make a good intro?
Done - there are a couple of Bailey comments about Keynsham on Couchtripper but nothing I thought was right to use.

Anyway, seems a little sterile compared with some of the other Somerset towns, but not a huge amount to do. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits and comments - hopefully addressed above.— Rod talk 21:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail: I ummed and aahed about this, as I feels it does lack a little something, but I don't recall seeing much else written about the town anywhere, so am happy that it is a good board coverage of available sourcing. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Economy - edit request for subsection on regeneration[edit]

2010s regeneration[edit]

Suggested for inclusion as a subsection within #Economy. I have a potential WP:COI, in that I'm personally familiar with the Council and have previously communicated with the contractor (on an unrelated issue). -- Trevj (talk) 06:10, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


Design work for regeneration of the town hall area was awarded by Bath and North East Somerset Council to Aedas in 2010,[1] with the works cost stated in 2011 to be £33 million[2] (£34 million in 2012).[3] Realisation of the plans is hoped to "attract new business and jobs".[1]

The plans directly affected up to a dozen local shopkeepers, who were required to relocate during construction. The proprietor of Temple Street's chip shop (a former architect) devised an alternative scheme, which was reported as having the support of the other shopkeepers.[4] One hardware shop "of a kind that is hard to find", Handyman's,[5] closed after "almost 60 years" in the town.[6]

In January 2012, it was announced that the Willmott Dixon had been appointed as contractor on the scheme.[7][8] The Council's planning committee in August 2012 deferred the approval decision, pending alterations to the external appearance of the building.[9][10] These were approved in October 2012,[11][12] with demolition commencing in the same month[13] and proceeding significantly from November.[14][15]


References

Thanks for this. I would agree that the article should include something on the "regeneration plans". I have a couple of issues with the proposed text and suggest we work on it here until consensus can be agreed and then put it into the article. My comments would be:
  • Several of the sources are : BD online - the full stories are only available to registered users. I know this doesn't stop them being used but means I can't verify the content supports the claims made.
  • The citations include several "bot generated titles" which need checking - I prefer the use of Template:Cite web
  • Refs 4,5,12 & 15 "This is Bristol" don't load for me - this may be temporary
  • I'm not sure Keynshampeople (ref 6) would count as a reliable source - I wouldn't include the quote "of a kind that is hard to find", and the shop title Handyman's, but I guess that is personal preference.
  • I'm not sure what "proceeding significantly" in the last sentence means - perhaps another form of words.
Happy to look again at this.— Rod talk 19:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for taking the time to review the request. In response to your comments:
  1. I also noticed that some of the sources appeared to be paywalled - the first time I read them, they were accessible, and were presented to me as part of a news search... when I then reopened them, it wasn't the same. However, I'd request that they be accepted here in good faith.
  2. I normally try to exercise a bit more diligence with refs, and generally use reference templates - apologies for not doing so in this case but I didn't have time... if anyone cares enough about the GA status (assuming it's still valid, which IMHO is questionable) then they're welcome to reformat them.
  3. I agree about the Keynshampeople ref, but its use isn't really claiming anything not also cited elsewhere - as for the name Handyman's, the shop is AFAIK notable (if not in Wikipedia terms) to those from the Whitchurch/Keynsham area, and I feel that its disappearance is relevant to the Keynsham article. Your comment on the "hard to find" quote is valid, but I think the description itself is equally valid - if you know the shop, you'll probably agree that it'd be hard to find an independent hardware shop of that size nowadays.
  4. "Proceeding significantly" was used in order to distinguish the preliminary work (i.e. removal of any valuable or dangerous materials) from the work undertaken by the "demolition experts" referred to in ref. 15 - the phrase could perhaps be replaced with experts moving in, or similar.
Regarding editors' preferences and seeking consensus, I'd say that the proposed edit (or a close incarnation of, bearing in mind the above) could be made by whoever's willing to do so. Any points disagreed with (even if by the same editor making that edit) could then be addressed with subsequent separate edit(s). Is that any good? Cheers. -- Trevj (talk) 20:12, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
OK This is Bristol refs now working so my tweaks would be the ref templates & loosing the Keynsham people citation - it is covered by the "This is Bristol" one. As below:

Design work for regeneration of the town hall area was awarded by Bath and North East Somerset Council to Aedas in 2010,[1] with the works cost stated in 2011 to be £33 million[2] (£34 million in 2012).[3] Realisation of the plans is hoped to "attract new business and jobs".[1]

The plans directly affected up to a dozen local shopkeepers, who were required to relocate during construction. The proprietor of Temple Street's chip shop (a former architect) devised an alternative scheme, which was reported as having the support of the other shopkeepers.[4] One hardware shop "of a kind that is hard to find", Handyman's, closed after "almost 60 years" in the town.[5]

In January 2012, it was announced that the Willmott Dixon had been appointed as contractor on the scheme.[6][7] The Council's planning committee in August 2012 deferred the approval decision, pending alterations to the external appearance of the building.[8][9] These were approved in October 2012,[10][11] with demolition commencing in the same month[12] with experts moving in from November.[13][14]


References

  1. ^ a b "Council picks Aedas for regeneration". News. Building Design. 21 December 2010. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  2. ^ "Council shows £33m Keynsham regeneration plans". BBC. 21 February 2011. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  3. ^ "Aedas submits £34m designs for Keynsham town centre". News. Building Design. 10 April 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  4. ^ "Traders battle plan to demolish their shops during town centre redevelopment". This is Bristol. 13 May 2010. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  5. ^ "Town redevelopment could be last nail for Handyman's". This is Bristol. 28 May 2010. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  6. ^ "Keynsham regeneration: Constructor chosen for £34m scheme". BBC. 16 January 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  7. ^ "Willmott Dixon takes Keynsham regeneration". Builder & Engineer. 26 January 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  8. ^ "Keynsham town centre £34m development plans on hold". BBC. 29 August 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  9. ^ "Deferral For Keynsham Regeneration". NOW Bath. 3 September 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  10. ^ "Keynsham town centre £33m development plans approved". BBC. 24 October 2012. Retrieved 21 january 2013. Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  11. ^ "Green light for Keynsham regeneration". This is Bristol. 24 October 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  12. ^ "Keynsham regeneration: Demolition work begins". BBC. 10 October 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  13. ^ "Keynsham regeneration: Shops demolition starts". BBC. 14 November 2012. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
  14. ^ Morris, Tom (10 January 2013). "Regeneration brings a new skyline for town". This is Bristol. Retrieved 21 January 2013.
If you are happy with this version I will add it.— Rod talk 21:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks very much. That looks fine. As development continues and the new shops are open, I expect there'll be more positive reporting on the scheme, which can then be given due weight in the article. -- Trevj (talk) 06:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
OK I've added it in to the article.— Rod talk 08:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you -- Trevj (talk) 08:13, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

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