Talk:Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan

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Former good article nominee Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
April 15, 2007 Good article nominee Not listed

Biography assessment rating comment[edit]

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Zak 14:32, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio[edit]

The second half of the article is copy-pasted from PUKTOONKHWA HOME PAGE Tintin 01:51, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Removed it. Italo 19:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Failing GA[edit]

I am removing this from the list of GA candidates for the following reasons:

  • It's not NPOV. Portions of the text read like a puff piece; the language is overly sympathetic and could use significant copyediting by a neutral observer. Maybe send to Peer Review?
  • It's not well enough sourced. Some quotations are given without a reference. The list of works at the end should be augmented with more inline citations.

Chubbles 19:32, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


criticism[edit]

I have made changes to criticism as sourced through footnote number 9. Footnote No.9 is not criticising Ghaffar Khan for his "liberalism" but rather his inconsistency and flirtations with religious leaders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.99.187.31 (talk) 14:10, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Ghaffar was not Indian? He was a Pakistani Pashtun[edit]

Can we really consider Ghaffar Khan to be Indian, despite his being Pashtun? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.255.202.121 (talk) 18:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree, Ghaffar Khan was not indian!! is this some kind of joke, why would somebody write something as incorrect as that? has this article been hijacked??? what kind of mis-information is this?? because the british annexed his lands and joined it to South Asia for what 40-60 years. Ghaffar Khan was a Pashtun, a Muslim and later pledged his allegiance to Pakistan.

Uh, he can be "Indian" for the following reasons:

a. It was British India so he was a citizen of it b. He himself said he was fighting for Pashtun self rule within a united India. c. He believed in Hindu-Muslim unity and was firmly against the demand for Pakistan; was an ally of Mahatma Gandhi d. Pakistan, as he himself said on numerous occasions, was against what he fought for and believed in. e. He pledged allegiance to it yes, not because he supported it but because for him destruction didn't solve anything so the best he could do was make good of the Pashtun condition in the new state of Paistan f. Despite his promise of loyalty for the sake of bettering his people, he was not treated as a "Pakistani" leader and was imprisoned by said state for a good half of his life. g. He pretty much gave up on Pakistan in the last years of his life as he spent his concluding years in Afghanistan. How about that?

Above, is a highly biased opinion:

a) British India seized to exist on 14th August 1947, hence Ghaffar Khan lost any supposed 'Indian' status to his citizenship.

b, c & d) All three points are self-contradictory. If he was a believer in Hindu-Muslim unity, he would not 'fight' for Pashtun self-rule since that would only divide Hindus & Muslims. He was no more a proponent of Hindu-Muslim unity than Pakistan's founder, Ali Jinnah - who had single-handedly drafted the Lucknow Pact, something that was considered an exemplary template of Hindu-Muslim unity. As late as 1946 Jinnah & Muslim League tried everything to keep India united but it was Hindu-dominated Congress that paved way for partition by rejecting Cabinet Mission Plan.

e) He pledged allegiance to Pakistan to save his political career since the majority of Pashtuns in N.W.F.P had started turning against him, seeing him as a traitor who favored Hindu India over Muslim Pakistan.

f & g) That was a natural result of the political turmoil amidst which he continued to make conflicting claims of allegiance.Ron Pitz (talk) 21:19, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Not really. I'm actually a Pakistani Pashtun. But I'm interested in facts. Answer to your points

a.) Your point is moot. It ceased to exist yes, but that doesn't erase the fact that he was technically born an Indian and fought for said country.

b.) Fighting for "Pashtun self rule" does not entail independence necessarily. As he said then, and as he continued to say after partition to his Pakistani critics, he believed in Pashtun autonomy within a federal structure of a larger country (then India, later Pakistan). I agree with you on the Jinnah points, but the fact remains Ghaffar Khan was strongly allied to the Gandhian-Congressite program. His original ideals were more in line with their vision than with that of Pakistan movement. No judgement is being pronounced here on which is correct or not.

e.) This doesn't really answer my point, rather proves it. He was originally pro-India, but sought to salvage his movement by allying with Pakistan (though perhaps not in the way you phrase it) He wasn't necessarily "power-hungry".

f.g.) There was a political tumult, but he didn't make conflicting claims of allegiance due to confusion. He stood by his ideal until partition became inevitable. Rather than fighting for the unattainable, he sought to be realistic and work with what he had, Pakistan (though he briefly proposed a third option of self-rule from both India and Pakistan when disowned by the Congress).

This is all backed up by any neutral historian of NWFP and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan. How about them apples ;) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.255.187.41 (talk) 01:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, he did stand for a united India and was opposed to the formation of Pakistan. As such, he did consider himself an Indian before partition. However, after partition, he famously stated that while he was unhappy with the formation of Pakistan, it became a reality and he would henceforth be loyal to Pakistan. I feel sorry for him, and the disappointments he went through in life. Joyson Prabhu Holla at me! 09:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Use of 'Bharat Ratna' as title[edit]

The Constitution of India expressly prohibits use of titles, except for military and academic ones. There has been lot of debate regarding use of titles such as 'Bharat Ratna', 'Padma Sri', 'Padma Vibhushan' etc. I believe there was even a govt. notification that an awardee may not use the term as a title.

Discussion, please.Circumcised (talk) 20:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

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Traitor Pakistan[edit]

Please Add column Traitor Pakistan. because he is Traitor Pakistan he is not a pakistani he is indian Pushtun orgin. мαℓιк ℓιαqυαт™ (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:46, 6 September 2013 (UTC)