Talk:Khwarezmian language

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Should this be spelled with an "e" as in the title, or "Khwarazmian" as in the body of the article? -Uyanga 01:22, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)

There are many different Romanizations of this name -- check all the redirects to Khwarezmia -- so I don't think the spelling matters, as long as it's internally consistent. --67.71.78.115 01:29, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Khwarezmian is the most common spelling in linguistic usage. It also reflects the phonology of the xw'rzm language, which shows /e/ in syllables with /a/ in Persian, and the loan to Arabic خوارِزم Xwarizm.TheLateDentarthurdent (talk) 14:17, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

About ideograms in Khwarezmian ( from http://www.iranianlanguages.com ): "Heterograms (ideograms) - The written Aramaic language of the Achamaenid period evolved into local Iranian, and the scribes began to insert Iranian words into their texts. The text language therefore turned into a "mixed" or "bastardized" Aramaic, but eventually the entire language was Iranian. However, Aramaic words were still written, but they became mere symbols for the corresponding Iranian words. These so-called "Semitic masks" are called "ideograms" or more recently called heterograms."

I am going to delete this confusing reference to ideograms and replace with heterograms. 152.135.235.188 21:48, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Iranian?!?![edit]

Okay I'm from Khawarazm and I speak Khawarazmi which is no where near Iranian. In Uzbekistan, although the native language is Uzbek (which is Turkic) there are a lot of Tajiks (which are Persian/Iranian), now both Khawarazmi and Tajik are completely different. They are not even close. That is because Khawarazmi is Turkic, I know you might think that because now it is part of Uzbekistan, it has become similar to Uzbek, but it is not. People from other parts of country who speak pure Uzbek understand Khawarazmi with a difficulty. But a person who speaks only Tajik won't understand Khawarazmi. I've been to Turkey and the language is very close. I know you might say, that maybe it has changed with Uzbek influence, but even then it is not even close to Tajik. Now I know some random person who's telling that won't make a good source, but I'm from Khawarazm I should know. I will try to find sources that are in English to prove this.

I think that it is commonly misunderstood that Khawarazmi is Persian, because it has once belonged to me. If there's any Khawarazmians here or Tajiks please tell that and maybe help find a source that is in English.

Yes, it is an Iranian language, but not in the meaning of belonging to the political entity of modern Iran. Iranian languages are a family of languages which are part of the Indo-European languages. Don't make a mistake here. I know that the language you are speaking now is a Turkic language and that you are from Khwarazm. I also know it is not Uzbek, as the Turkic Khwarazmian that you speak is Kipchak while Uzbek is Ughuz, and I also know that they are related to the language of Turkey. The language of concern in this article is an extinct language and no one has spoken it in 1000 years. It is not Persian, again don't make a mistake. Not all Iranian languages are Persian. Persian (and Tajiki Persian) is just one of the Iranian languages. Sogdian (spoken in ancient Sogdiana, modern day Samarqand and Panjikent) was also an Iranian language that is now extinct. This also is not a political thing and does not have anything to do with modern day Iran. The article is not making any political claims. Ancient Khwarazmian which is spoken of in this article was spoken by most of the population of Khwarazm up to the 10th century, including the Afrighuni Khwarazmshahs. It later gave way to various Turkic languages one of they you speak today. It's fine, no one is trying to strip-off the modern Khwarazmian that you are speaking. This is just another language from another family, once spoken in the area of Khwarazm. Languages change and there is no need to imagine that a language spoken today in a place is the same as the one spoken 1000 years ago. Think of it like this: in Egypt, they spoke ancient Egyptian and then coptic for thousands of years. Then these became extinct (although Coptic is still used by Egyptian Christians) and no Egyptians speak Arabic. --Khodadad 10:11, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

>>> Dear Khwarzmi friend, we were not talking about the living languages. This Khwarazmi language about which this article is written is already extinct, dead! --Babakexorramdin (talk) 09:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC) >>>hello my friends , the speak of my second friend is true but I am disagree with this word which tell us iranian language is not persian and persian is a part of iranian languages .It is false because iranian languages in fact is persian language or perhaps I can say pahlavi but his purpose is farsi or dari which is current in Iran afghanistan ajikistan uzbakistan ,also in the world persia = iran and mad is a lying from west for making opossite beween iranian people like kurd and fars(dari),kurd is persian and not fars and lor is persian and is fars,and avestan is name of book and isnt name of any language , khwarazmi is persian in every circumstance but i dont know is farsi(tajik,dari) or not, thank Qom92 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.251.213.100 (talk) 13:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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This page was moved without much discussion to match the discussion on the Talk:Khwarazm page. However, it now does not use the standard linguistic spelling, which is "Khwarezmian" cf. Routledge's Iranian Languages and the works of Henning, MacKenzie, and Durkin-Meisterernst. It is also appropriate as the Khwarezmian language itself seems to have reflected Persian final-syllable /a/ with /e/, as seen in the Arabic loan خوارِزم Xwarizm. I recommend that the page be moved back. TheLateDentarthurdent (talk) 14:13, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved it back per your comments. It's definitely worth a discussion as to which form is the most common name.--Cúchullain t/c 20:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@TheLateDentarthurdent and Cuchullain: hi. I strongly believe it should be called Khorezmian language (Iranian), to match and better distinguish from the later Khorezmian language (Turkic). Arminden (talk) 11:45, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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