Talk:Kimbo Slice/Archive 1

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Pennsylvania State University

Someone at PSU really enjoys vandalizing Kimbo's article. TigerDigm 19:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Unless there is posted proof, I really doubt he graduated from college. JudgeMana 01:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC) JudgeMana

zomg your such a racist JudgeMana. That was a joke. Yeah I doubt a college graduate would have to resort to street fighting and bodyguard work to pay the bills.--M8v2 17:44, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Cull

Vandalism aside, this article has major issues. I would propose a fairly hefty cull. In my opinion there is no need to go into so much detail on what is a barely notable subject. The lengthy fight descriptions partiuularly need to go. Plus almost all of it is unverifiable, most sources (including my own I admit) are from Interest message boards. Any thoughts? Stu ’Bout ye! 18:01, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I know the article is speculation, and not very well formatted, but the subject is an internet phenomenon, and I'm sure some people appreciate the information found on here. I agree that some of the information should be culled from the article, but the problem then arises as to how far does the edit go? If one asks for cited sources, we arrive back at the misinformation from message boards. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to contact some of his alleged affiliated websites to request a valid bio for Kimbo? TigerDigm 18:09, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
It's an idea, but I don't think we want to be using any of those websites as a trusted source! This article gets more and more rubbish added to it weekly. People may appreciate the running commentary on all of his fights, but that doesn't make it notable. Apart from that, it's a WP:V nightmare. Stu ’Bout ye! 10:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

This article needs to go.

This isn't that note worthy of a subject, there is not alot of proven facts, and it is poorly written.

I move for deletion.

S-I-G-N---Y-O-U-R---P-O-S-T-S!!! While I don't think we should delete this, I think we should get it more organized. --CanesOL79 00:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah lets remove all the information on wikipedia while were at it..

Link

The link labeled "Kimbo v. Rasta" leads the viewer to a site which also features pornography.

Also, I think the video which this link leads to was his first fight.

I've deleted three of the current links and added a link to youtube that lists all of the fights. Two of the links I deleted are inaccessible to a lot of users as they contain adult content. Stu ’Bout ye! 08:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Parodies

I've removed the parodies section as this isn't notable. If anyone can tell why it is, I'm happy to revert. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

articles for deletion

i for one can say that i'm euphoric this article survived AfD. here is why: i, too, am named kevin ferguson. i couldn't be happier to type my name into wikipedia and find out that i share names with kimbo slice. --Friendship hurricane 06:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


Rumor verification

I heard that the eye that was shown in the first fight was fake. I know that somebody from his entourage claimed that the eye was not fake, but apparently, there are people who say they know the guy or were witnesses to the fake wound. I do not know, so I am just asking if anybody knows for sure or not. RyanDaniel 16:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Nah it wasn't fake.

New videos

There is a new video in which kimbo fights two different opponents.

There is a site called Sublime directory that has every Kimbo fight except Gannon's. It also links to porn, so I haven't linked it. Sublime directory refers to Kimbo's first opponent, Byrd, as "Big D" and to Rasta as "Dreads". Maybe someone could take a look at it and decide if the names should be referenced, or the site should be linked in the article? It also gives heights and weights for Kimbo and each opponent at the time of the fight.

Another new video is up. This time Kimbo fights a guy named Adryan in a back yard.

Impossible to verify

This article is a complete mess. I'm actually sad to say it is one of the articles I edit most on Wikipedia, according to one of the edit counters. As I've mentioned before, the biggest problem is verifiability. Despite a fairly extensive search, the only reliable source I have found is the Rolling Stone article already stated in the 2nd paragraph. I may be bold and remove everything except what that article mentions. I'll see what people's thoughts are. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and did it. Anything added to the article from now on should be referenced from reliable sources. Stu ’Bout ye! 12:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't see how you think it is appropriate to remove all that content, when the fights, etc. can obviously be seen all over the net and other stuff you removed is referenced. --Mista-X 13:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Please read WP:V and WP:RS. None of the references provided (youtube, message boards, amateur MMA sites} are reliable. Stu ’Bout ye! 13:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I think you are using a technicality out of context, but I'll take a look. In any case, you know it's B.S. --Mista-X 17:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Procedure isn't a technicality. Wikipedia's procedures and policies are there to protect the project. I do think they go too far sometimes, but in this case an article was almost wholly based on message boards and unreliable sources. Stu ’Bout ye! 09:18, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps I missunderstood why youtube is not to be used; I had thought it was because of copyright issues. But in this case, it seems pretty much like a reliable source. You can't really argue with video. Then again, is it necessary to describe every fight in the article? I'm sure we can find away to improve the article in other ways... --Mista-X 12:41, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

There is a problem with copyright with youtube. The person that removed the youtube links from this article also removed links to youtube from other articles. So it seems youtube can't be linked to at all, and hence can't be used as a reference anyway. Wikipedia:External links#Restrictions on linking seems to cover this. I agree, it is not necessary to describe every fight. I also agree we have to find other ways of improving the article. I've spent quite a bit of time searching for sources we can use to expand the article, but came up with nothing - both searching on Google and searching individual news websites. I'm out of ideas for the minute! Stu ’Bout ye! 14:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The editing of this Kimbo Slice reference has gone too far. Now the reference is negligible to the point where there's no purpose of even having it. I agree that all the details of the fights do not need to be interpreted, but the basic facts should be included, i.e. the fighters, their stats and the results, not because every fighter should have all their fights listed, but only because Kimbo Slice is an internet phenomenon, popular culture, and any information about him and his fights is desired by those seeking further reference. Also there were several links removed that are reasonably reputable such as the links to the subfighter.com news articles I posted and also the references to Kimbo's work with MILF and VIP which I bothered to included a link to an interesting photo of him on the site and for which a Wikipedia entry exists and was linked. The reference that Gannon posted and Kimbo's manager posted were also reliable. It seems most of this editing has been done by someone that has not done their research, is not familiar with the fighters and the fighting scene and therefore does not know the actual account names that they do in fact post with in fighting forums, nor which forums are reputable. In the end, a useful resource for information on Kimbo Slice has been turned into a pointless blurb. Sempi 11:03, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Word. Jason McConnell-Leech 12:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Copyright Issues

If Kimbo Slice's team willingly uploaded the fight video to the web, then how can it be copyright infringement if hundreds of video sites post the video with no complaints. Youtube has a policy against videos which violate someone's copyright, and allows copyright owners to remove videos (which happens on a daily basis). After 150,000 views on Youtube alone, none of the videos of this fight had been removed by anyone who might have the rights to the footage. Its not part of any DVD, and no one has requested that any of the hundred sites posting the video remove it. Kimbo's own people visit the wikipedia page, THEY aren't the ones removing the link. We have a single solitary editor taking the editing thing a little overboard, removing a completely useful video link because the people who filmed it and uploaded it to the web for all to see didn't upload it through their own Youtube account. Its starting to look like you're a Gannon fan more concerned about the video showing what happened than someone concerned over a copyright issue that only you seem upset about. If you take it that serious, please do a search for www.youtube.com on wikipedia, and go to each of the pages with youtube links that are not uploaded by the copyright holders and remove them. You do that (I'll check your contribs) and I will happily accept the remove of the youtube link from this page, that way I know you're being sincere rather than a hypocrite or an editor on a power trip. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.0.104.154 (talk) 11:16, 29 December 2006 (UTC).

  1. Please remain civil.
  2. If there are inappropriate links in other articles then that is not am argument for adding another one here.
  3. Wikipedia is not YouTube. If you want the material to be allowed you could contact the copyright holder and ask that they release their rights to the material.
  4. If you keep disrupting Wikipedia to make a point you risk being blocked. --Oden 11:24, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Note: if you can find a link to a official website feel free to add it. A video clip from a official website would not be considered a copyright violation, if it is uploaded with permission from the copyright holder. --Oden 11:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe Sublime Directory is an official source for Kimbo videos. His manager runs several porn sites, doesn't he? Sublime Directory has a special page dedicated to nothing but kimbo fights. They say it's official. The only problem is that the Kimbo page links to porn, so it really isn't a usable link in itself. What about putting the videos from the site on a host and linking to them that way?

Yep, it's pretty clear Sublime Directory is the official site, since all the videos seen elsewhere have their watermark, the videos there are in WMV format (as opposed to Flash), and Kimbo's team hands out a free Sublime Directory t-shirt to a fallen opponent in one of the videos. I'm replacing the current video link with Sublime Directory, as it does seem to pass WP:EL in this case, although I understand the gratuitous porn may be objectionable to some. -SpuriousQ (talk) 03:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

links and fan websites

I think editors are going overboard deleting legitmate fan generated websites (specifically www.kimbofightvideo.com which are exactly what users are looking for when they come across the wikipedia entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 85.71.74.68 (talkcontribs) 15:27, 31 December 2006.

See Wikipedia:External links and Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. A link to a offical website of Kimbo Slice is a different matter than fansites and other websites. If there is a official website then please link to it. --Oden 15:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I tried looking for "Kimbo Slice" at IMDb, Yahoo! Movies and the Notable Names database without finding any entries. --Oden 15:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

last name vs. first name

I removed all times the article called him by his first name and changed it to his last name. Encyclopedias don't use first names except to distinguish people with the same last name. -CRouleau 04:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Semi-Protection

The constant abuse of this article is out of hand. I have requested semi-protect at: Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Current_requests_for_protection --Mista-X 10:01, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Career information

The career information written for Kimbo seems to focus more on the fortunes of Steve Gannon instead, perhaps this should apply more to Gannons page and not this one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TwistedArcade (talkcontribs) 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC). --TwistedArcade 16:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

This poor article has been heavily pruned to only verifiable information. The fact that the UFC picked up Gannon due to the Slice video is one of the only verifiable facts about Slice we have that helps establish his notability. I think it should stay, but there is regrettably a dearth of reliable information about Slice himself, which makes the article nearly as much about Gannon as it is about Slice. -SpuriousQ (talk) 16:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems much info I added from his coach, manager and cousin have been removed. mma.tv is a valid source for info on Kimbo as they have all posted there. I believe it would be verifiable but people just delete things without checking. Satanico


Official video site

User:167.206.211.125 continues to replace the SublimeDirectory.com video link with one to a "Kimbo fansite", arguing that "Sublime Directory is an advertising site, not operated by subject." As I've explained above it's quite clear that Sublime is the official source of these videos. Observe the "SublimeDirectory.com" watermark at the bottom right of the videos on the fansite, see Kimbo's team giving "Big Mac" a Sublime Directory t-shirt in the last five seconds of that video, and notice that SublimeDirectory is the only site where the videos are high quality WMVs instead of low quality Flash videos derived from them. The fansite consists only of embedded links to YouTube videos, one of which is currently dead, having been removed from YouTube. The evidence strongly indicates SublimeDirectory is the site we ought to link to, if we link to any video site at all. (I'm aware that all of this borders on WP:NOR and am beginning to consider that the subject of this article does not satisfy WP:BIO.) -SpuriousQ (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Written like a magazine article

I can't help noticing that this article is written in a decidedly overdramatized way, as well as showing a marked favoritism towards Slice. My favorite bit is "Some get degrees in jail. Others find God. Kimbo found street fighting." Can anyone please write better than that?

MatthewLiberal 03:34, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Notable Quotes?

"All day.......all day."

"Thats how a nigga eat!" (after beating Byrd watkins)

"Fuck that nigga lets run this!" (in response to Byrd watkins asking to grapple)

"South beat baby, south beat records all day!"

"Thats it? It cant be over, im just warmin up!" (after beating Rasta)

  • Send it to wikiquote if you think it's notable otherwise if it's put in I'll delete it. Let those guys Over there figure it out.--M8v2 17:38, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

This man is a Legend

Seriously this man is a phenomenon. The bare knuckle fighting may not appeal to you, and it doesn't have to. Either way, this man is a hard worker and deserves this article about him on Wiki. Side note... this man is utterly down to Earth... watch him always shake hands with his opponents after beating them mercilessly.

  • I'm a hard worker, do i deserve a wikipedia article? Down to earth my ass he doesn't always shake hands and if he was so down to earth he would have accepted and admitted that Gannon beat him?--M8v2 17:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

^he did

    • He also punched Adryan in the ear while Adryan was walking away after losing a fight. Down to earth? --Hurricane Angel 02:00, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

^ in an mma or boxing match that is completely legal as long as it isnt in the back of the head. its adryans fault for not going down and taking the 30 second count

But this isn't MMA or boxing.

Kimbo also tackled the Bouncer I believe into a table after getting frustrated when he was knocked down; breaking what flimsy street fighting rules they did establish. And as pointed out, he doesn't shake hands with Adryan after blindsiding him. A very nice sportsman.

lets get a little longer article

how about some stats for each of his opponents along with kimbo himself? these are all taken from sublime directory.

Kimbo Slice: 6'2" 260

<<<Opponents>>>

Byrd Watkins: 6'1" 270

Rasta: 6'0" 240

Afropuff: 6'5" 300

Big Mac: 5'11" 300

Adryan: 6'1" 240

Sean Gannon: 6'3" 305

The Bouncer: 6'3" 300


Where did ppl get the Justin Berkley info?

Oh come n where are people getting all these fighters names from out?


the order of the fight are wrong he faught watkins first then gannon then dreads then airfropuff then bigmac then adryn then the bouncer because if u watch his under card fights you can see dreads and big mac walking around in the back so pay close atttention and can we start a page about ray he did get his ass whooped but he deserves a pageTennisakin 03:18, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


Nah ray doesnt desrve a page and if Kimbo ever releases the other videos he loses on he won't get a page either.

Who is Don Schulte

I cannot find one source to support that a) Kimbo fought this guy or b) that Kimbo lost to him. I am going to delete it if no source is provided. Ramsquire (throw me a line) 17:00, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Something concrete to back the article up

I have been a supporter of this article from the beginning but acknowledge that the sources have been poor and the article has survived by the skin of its teeth even though we all have seen his fights on youtube. But now he now has a PPV fight against a former world champion boxer. See here for further details. This should give us plenty of references from reliable sources to ensure that we can now put the WP:N issues to bed.--Vintagekits 12:08, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

The PPV Event: CFFC 5

I took the liberty of creating a page for the event itself that Kimbo will be fighting in against Ray Mercer. I did the best I could and I think it's pretty good for my first attempt at creating a page. Though I would appreciate some help with it. Adding to it, making corrections, making it just look better. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cage_Fury_Fighting_Championships_5 UnknownToaster 02:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


I dont think this fight should be counted in his record because it was an exhibition fight they were saying..... So does this count as a regular fight because it said exhibition all over the place.

Verification of info on Kimbos earlier fights

I think there needs to be more reliable sources on his opponents stats, other than the Sublime Directory videos themselves. I for one don't believe any of those fighters were 300 pounds and SD have edited videos in Kimbos favour in the past. I don't think there various weights should be listed without proper reference. Anyone else? 83.147.138.161 04:04, 24 June 2007 (UTC) cowwithbeans

Sublime is the official source of all the Kimbo fight videos and seeing as we have no means of finding out if the stats are accurate or not we might as well just leave it as it is. It's not to much of a big deal. UnknownToaster 13:24, 24 June 2007 (UTC)


Kimbo Video Intervew Prior to CFFC 5 Event

Alright CFFC has put a video up on their website which is basically an interview with Kimbo Slice. Not professionally done unfortunately but it's a start to some factual information about the man. I am having trouble making out what he says at times so if someone can make it out better than i can and see there is some mistake in the wiki that uses the video as the source please correct it and mention the correction here. Video Interview: http://www.cagefuryfighting.com/kimbo_interview.php UnknownToaster 20:34, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Ray Mercer vs Kimbo was NOT bareknuckle

why the fuck did some jackass put that in the bareknuckle list? there was a perfect mma list for Kimbo yesterday...STOP CHANGING SHIT

PRISON

KIMBO DID SERVE A PRISION TERM IN FLORIDA —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.56.132 (talk) 23:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

You need citations to back that up. Mr. C.C. (talk) 17:30, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

10 years. http://www.mmanews.com/other/Details-On-Boxer-Ray-Mercer-vs.-Street-Fighter-Kimbo-Slice.html CashRules (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

The above-referenced website is not a citation confirming the prison sentence, it merely repeats what other "MMA sites" have said. Until there is actual confirmation (and it should be in the public record if true. If anyone wants to pay $50 they can do a background check) any reference to him serving jail time should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.60.230 (talk) 01:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice did NOT do prison time in Florida. A simple check on the Florida DOC site proves it. KING GRIM LOL YO WHATS UP (talk) 04:33, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

University of Miami

does the page mean he went to Miami on an athletic scholarship but didn't play football? If not, then the two facts about academics and football don't belong in the same sentence

I haven't ever seen a source supporting that he had an academic scholarship to the U. Why is this information still included in the article? --Justinmhill (talk) 21:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

the way that he was gay whole sentence is phrased is confusing. The two points made do not relate to each other. Either it was an athletic scholarship, or it needs to be phrased better —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.13.240.36 (talk) 20:59, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

ESPN the Magazine this week has an article contradicting the U of Miami rumor, which also renders the current source highly suspect. --216.9.250.104 (talk) 21:22, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Source [2] is a bad link. Also, in the interview that used to be posted there, Kimbo never said he received an academic scholarship. He said he went to U of Miami, but he never said he had an academic scholarship. PLEASE CORRECT THIS OR UNLOCK THE PAGE SO I CAN. Justinmhill (talk) 12:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


He actually went to Bethune Cookman and he flunked out.--Franknskank (talk) 00:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)


No mention of U of Miami in ESPN magazine

http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3405201

"It hadn't always been so. Two years earlier, in 1992, Ferguson had been a middle linebacker at Miami's Palmetto High with the skill to think college ball. But then Hurricane Andrew blew through South Florida, wrecking Ferguson's home and hopes. Palmetto's season was shortened, and Ferguson's scholarships disappeared. He tried college at Bethune-Cookman but flunked out. By early 1994, he was out on the street. And that time makes the 6'2", 240-pound, 34-year-old badass cry to this day, just thinking about living and dying in the stink of that damn truck."

Jasonbenne (talk) 18:37, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

This section is still confusing. As currently written, it seems he attended both universities via the same athletic scholarship (which is almost certainly not true). Moreover, sources [9] and [5] give contrasting information. One states that he had an academic scholarship and one states that he had an athletic scholarship. If one is credible, then the other is not (with respect to this particular issue).Justinmhill (talk) 21:29, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

German Site

There is a German Wiki-Site for Kimbo. I cant link it with that one due to it´s protection. Could someone add de:Kimbo Slice to this article? thx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.7.219.194 (talk) 00:04, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I have provided a credible source stating it is an exhibition match. The NJSAC approved the fight partially and required it to be an exhibition, so it does not count. Unless you can come up with something that states otherwise (that is credible) then stop changing it from an exhibition Thesaddestday 20:53, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

This is rather confusing. Does an exhibition match count towards an MMA record? In the past it has counted before, particularly in the case of TUF. Now then in the case of Kimbo, Sherdog is recognizing his victory as part of his MMA record. http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=22388 I really wish CFFC kept records for their fighters on their website but sadly they do not, and if they consider it a win on his record then so should we. I am going to look into inquiring with CFFC on this matter. UnknownToaster 02:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

TUF fights do not count as pro bouts because they are exhibition. The only people that will count them are the UFC and sometimes the fighters because it will pad their stats. I e-mailed Sherdog about it and Rob's reply was along the lines of "full rules and he got paid... pro mma". The reality is it was an exhibition bout. Contact the NJSAC and they will tell you the same thing, they sanctioned it as an exhibition. Keep in mind the word sanctioned does not mean pro. A pro fight can happen unsanctioned, just as well as an amateur fight can happen sanctioned. In this case it was a sanctioned exhibition match where they allowed full rules. It should also be noted Sherdog are not the be-all-end-all authority when it comes to records, though they are fairly reliable because they keep a running history of fights (meaning they can show who fought who, when and where). In this case they are making their own call despite the fact the NJSAC didn't sanction it as a pro fight. Thesaddestday 03:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Neither is the NJSAC's official regulations the end-all be-all on what constitutes a legit pro MMA fight, despite the fact that they've firmly established themselves as the America's #1 Meddlesome Athletic Commission.--Halloween jack 17:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
Considering it fell under the NJSAC's jurisdiction it is up to them. They only sanctioned and allowed the fight as an exhibition. I explained the situation above and I provided a few links showing you guys. Thesaddestday 20:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

What is the "credible" source then? MMAfan2007 18:39, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

http://www.fcfighter.com/news/Mar%202007 Thesaddestday 19:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Thesaddestday. I figured because he was headlining the event, it was sanctioned and he got paid, that made it automatically Pro, but if it was exibition only according to the NJSAC, he shouldn't have a Pro MMA record yet, it would simply be false. -- cowwithbeans 21:55, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Um...that isn't "credible" nor does it even state that it was an exhibition. Go on cage fury's message board, the staff even spoke with the NJSAC and said that was not an exhibition. MMAfan2007 18:26, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually FC Fighter is a credible source and if you read the article it clearly says exhibition. Here is another credible source http://mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4196&zoneid=1 Thesaddestday 21:44, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Here is a third source- http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=4154 Thesaddestday 01:32, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rw4GSRSVYA - The commentator says kimbo 1-0.

They do indeed say 1-0 hmmmUnknownToaster 23:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
The NJSAC made the decision so what the commentator said is irrelevant. Thesaddestday 00:02, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
random info: CFFC 5 ring announcer says Kimbo is "making his octa...cage debut" and does not cite a fighting record

You're missing the whole point. You don't have a DOCUMENT(.pdf format) from the NJSAC that says it's an exhibition. All these sites you listed are the same sites that post up rumors and such. By default, Kimbo is 1-0 until you can provide the exact FACTUAL document that says otherwise. MMAfan2007 17:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Actual I have posted multiple reliable sources that state it is an exhibition and there is nothing from anyone else to counter that. It is fair to say the burden of proof is no longer on me. Thesaddestday 21:14, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
You don't need a document from the NJSAC. That is considered a primary source. News reports saying the bout was an exhibition are secondary sources. Both are permissible by WP:RS and WP:V to establish if this one fight was an exhibition or not. And if you really need to see official results from the NJSAC, look here hateless 21:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

It may say exhibition but he won so he should be 1 and 0 he won a MIXED MARTIAL ARTS MATCH and the thing says MMA record.

That is not how it works though... he won an exhibition, not an actual pro fight. We don't count exhibition matches or amateur fights. Thesaddestday 10:31, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

That isn't how it works. You need to provide the actual .pdf document. Any website can say anything they want, it doesn't make it credible. The actual document from the NJSAC is credible, not some site YOU THINK is credible. MMAfan2007 22:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

OK we get it, you're a Kimbo nuthugger, but give it a rest. I don't know where you get the idea how things work around here considering you've been making contributions since June 27, 2007 but you cannot arbitrarily dictate how Wikipedia works. If you want I can give you the NJSAC's number and tell you who to ask for and he will tell you it was an exhibition bout. I notice you made repeatedly stubborn edits to the Hidden Palms page and were demanding admin approval before your edits were reverted. Now you continue to be stubborn regarding Kimbo's page. Cut it out, it's getting old. You don't run Wiki so stop trying to get your way. Thesaddestday 23:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
First, I'd like to remind everyone to keep WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF in mind. Thesaddestday has provided multiple reliable sources including The Fight Network and Full Contact Fighter magazine that say that the match against Mercer was an exhibition. As the threshold for inclusion is verifiability, not truth, I'll take his side in this content dispute. east.718 23:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Sorry to MMAfan2007, the community, and everyone else coming here for the unnecessary comments I made. Thesaddestday 23:46, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

That is your opinion that the sites are credible. MMAfan2007 23:17, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you insist on arguing over this so much, but stop changing his record.Thesaddestday 03:31, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

That is your opinion that the sites are credible. :) MMAfan2007 21:47, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

You're not in discussion with good faith, MMAfan2007. If everyone disagrees with you, don't be an obstructionist, and don't put unwarranted vandalism notices on people you simply disagree with. like you did with Thesaddestday. hateless 19:35, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
MMAfan2007 is definitely not editing in good faith, and has put vandalism warnings on my page (when I hadn't made any edits at all) simply as a retaliation for my vandalism warning on his. If he keeps up this behaviour, we should get him blocked. Hopefully he will stop on his own good will. --Mista-X 20:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is, is that if wikipedia is supposed to be reliable then what makes a website reliable? I could make a website and say "Kimbo's fight doesn't count." Does it make it credible? MMAfan2007 21:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

To answer that question specifically visit WP:RS. It explains it perfectly. Thesaddestday 00:24, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

"Reliable sources are authors or publications regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand."

So basically it's our OPINION on what is credible. LOL what a joke. MMAfan2007 20:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

At least we are providing sources. Thesaddestday 00:53, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Sherdog.com http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FighterID=22388 His fight recored 1-0 Sherdog DOES NOT count exhibition matches. His record is 1-0. deal with it

In this case they did. They rationalized it as "full rules and he was paid- pro fight". But that is not the case. Thesaddestday 06:25, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Why the match should be counted

Ok, here is my take on things from everything I have heard from multiple credible sources: The Kimbo Slice vs. Ray Mercer fight was originally intended to be an exhibition fight by the New Jersey State Athletic Commission, but they decided to sanction the fight soon before it took place. That is the reason you see conflicting stories, some calling it an exhibition, and some saying it was sanctioned. (not "sanctioned exhibition" or any other thing, but indeed a fully sanctioned match) I even know someone personally who spoke to Nick Lembo firsthand at the weigh ins and asked him directly if it was going to be sanctioned, and he stated that yes it would. (yes I realize this is not a "credible" source since it is just me saying it, but Lembo has said similar things other places) So, in other words, it was indeed a sanctioned fight when the actual fight took place, and therefore needs to be reflected as such in the record, in my opinion. Here are the links to back up my assertion:

  • [1] Relevant part: "White openly bashed the New Jersey State Athletic Commission for deciding to sanction the upcoming June bout between underground fighting legend Kimbo Slice and former heavyweight champion Ray Mercer." (this coming from a UFC guy, which is the competition making it that much more credible.)
  • [2] Relevant part: "Nick Lembo, council to the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board, asked himself the question out loud at this week's news conference: Why is this sanctioned?"
  • [3] Relevant part: "On June 23rd, one time WBO Heavyweight Champion Ray Mercer will drive myriad nails into the coffin of his remaining boxing career, when he takes on celebrated street fighter Kevin Ferguson in a 3 round MMA rules exhibition bout. Trump Entertainment Resorts is presenting this PPV “contest” in Atlantic City’s Boardwalk Hall as the main event of Cage Fury Fighting Championship 5, and the match (dubbed “Two Worlds – One Cage”) is sanctioned under New Jersey’s unified MMA rules."
  • [4] Sherdog.com lists his record as 1-0. I don't know of any other "credible" sites that keep track of MMA records. (there are plenty that do boxing, but not MMA)

I actually do not like Kimbo and think he will get beaten (probably badly) if and when he runs into anyone with any real MMA talent, but fair is fair, and this fight should count on his record. I will not make the edit to the page again, because you crazy fight fans scare me, but I thought I would throw in my take on it. Keep it classy guys. (Cardsplayer4life 14:02, 15 August 2007 (UTC))

Your entire argument hinges on the point that a sanctioned bout is mutually exclusive with an exhibition one, which is not true. east.718 at 14:43, August 15, 2007
Hmm, no actually it doesn't. It hinges on the fact that when the term is used exclusively by itself (as I stated clearly in the above, not "sactioned exhibition" or anything like that, which should have made it clear) that it means non-exhibition as well as the fact that I have not seen anyone who reports "official" records report anything other than 1-0. As well as the whole bit about Nick Lembo saying in several places that it was in fact sanctioned, and no longer an exhibition. Of course, I am willing to be convinced, I just haven't seen any evidence to the contrary yet. That is all I am saying. (Cardsplayer4life 20:43, 15 August 2007 (UTC))
Cardsplayer4life, you are entirely incorrect in your assumption about what is going on. In the state of New Jersey ALL MMA fights (amateur, exhibition, and pro) are sanctioned. That is one of the few states where you can't just do whatever you want running shows (thank god) and the commission regulates it heavily. Of course the fight was sanctioned, it had to be to take place there. Thesaddestday 23:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Any links to back that up? I am not trying to be mean or anything, but I'd like to see some proof of that. (even though that was just one strain of my argument) Like I said, I am always open to new data, but I need something concrete to look at besides just a person's opinion. (again, not questioning you personally, its just anyone can say anything so I need some linky's) I am always willing to change my mind. Also, to strengthen the argument overall, it would be helpful to find a site which did "offical" MMA records which contradicted the sherdog one. (since sherdog carries a lot of weight as far as MMA is concerned) Also, anything showing Nick Lembo saying it was an exhibition would be the nail in the coffin for me, personally. (just trying to help you guys out) (Cardsplayer4life 01:38, 16 August 2007 (UTC))
All fights aren't sanctioned, it's just that no major promoter would have the gall to run an unsanctioned event, since that would lead to the NJSACB revoking their license. Since the state athletic commissions generally respect each other's rulings on sanctioning of promoters and fighters, that would lead to ruin for that promoter in the US (ostensibly, the CSAC is all over FEG Korea right now but that's a different issue altogether). One of the few occurances I found was this, where Michigan's department of labor shut down a promoter for running unlicensed events.
That's neither here nor there though, since multiple reliable sources [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] have stated that this fight was an exhibition. Also, see here and here for some context.
Also, Sherdog's fight database is incomplete in many places, I usually cross-reference it with Full Contact Fighter's database (which tracks amateur fights) and interviews to get a real record. east.718 at 02:45, August 16, 2007
Aaah, you are right. I found Kimbo in their database, and it does say that his amateur record is 1-0, and the note beside that fight says exhibition. Ok, color me convinced. Are amateur records ever listed on wikipedia for fighters? If so, that might be an appropriate thing to do here. (Cardsplayer4life 16:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC))
Like I said, check out the talk archives of WP:MMA, the consensus so far has been to exclude them because of verifiability issues—for example, Houston Alexander has over 200 unsanctioned fights, but there is no record of this. You're welcome to start a new discussion though. east.718 at 19:20, August 16, 2007

Of course this carries no weight because it is "original research", but I am a member of the MMA media (and no, none of the sources about Mercer/Slice being exhibition are from where I work). I've actually talked to the NJSAC (which any of you can do via phone or e-mail) about the bout. Furthermore, Sherdog's idea is "full rules and he got paid- pro MMA", which is not really the case. There are exhibition boxing matches that don't count but both guys get paid well and fight with full rules. If you want to have peace of mind for yourself over the issue you can find a lot of useful information at SAC websites (unfortunately NJ's is less easy to navigate then NV's). Thesaddestday 06:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Genius

Why can't you guys just compromise somehow and list an official record with an asterisk or sidenote that he has one (1) win in a Professional Exhibition match? Just a suggestion.G0dsweed 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

G0dsweed has made the most sensible suggestion yet, unless I hear objections next time I see his change i'll be WP:BOLD --Nate1481( t/c) 10:25, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
It's because project guidelines and common sense dictate not to list non-professional bouts.  east.718 at 17:44, August 21, 2007 

Project guidelines are just that--guides, not rules or hard fast laws. This debate has been going on now for 2 months without any resolution. I think (and we need to have more people's input here) that what I have suggested would stop all this back and forth. Also, unless Wikipedia has started to not even use its own definitions of things (see Professional#Sport ), this bout makes Kimbo a professional, and this match a Professional Exhibition. I think most of us know that exhibition matches do not qualify as official records, but at least if we put up the info the way I have suggested (or something similar) that may stop every Tom, Dick and Harry from coming by and changing the page without consulting this looooong debate people have been having. G0dsweed 18:31, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I am entirely opposed to doing that. It was not a professional fight so don't list it in his record. The mention of his sanctioned debut enough. Thesaddestday 00:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
It was a regulated fight he took part in so deserves a mention, if can be sourced it should be mentioned. Not saying that the record dose not include the fight if a bad idea as it leaves it ambiguous, note the suggestion was not to include it but just to acknowledge it. p.s. why are you so adamant on this? --Nate1481( t/c) 08:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Because it was an exhibition fight, not a pro fight. There is a difference. Like I said, mention of the fight in the article is enough, but adding the number in there is misleading. Thesaddestday 09:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

This is so trivial and yet we have been debating it for months--the purpose of my suggestion was to curtail the persistent changing and revising that has resulted from the old way of doing it. --thesaddestday: if how you wanted it done was sufficient then perhaps the casual user would have stopped long ago from modifying it constantly. So, I still think that unless we want to monitor this entry for the rest of our lives we are going to have to figure out some way of solving this. This is a collaboration after all, and if a compromise can not be made, perhaps we should appeal somewhere else. (we all know the match is not "official", but I do not understand why it keeps being said that the fight was not pro; according to both Webster and WP definitions a paid fight is a pro fight.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by G0dsweed (talkcontribs).

I see that there is no fight record displayed now. Was that the compromise? If so, once he starts having some other professional fights, people are going to want his record in there, and some type of compromise will be needed. (Cardsplayer4life 06:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC))
Also, why was the bareknuckle fighting chart of fights removed? (Cardsplayer4life 06:59, 10 September 2007 (UTC))

Subject not noteworthy enough to warrant an article

This is just some guy who beat up a bunch of average joes on internet videos. He got his ass handed to him the one time he actually faught someone with an ounce of skill. --68.149.181.145 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Get with the times man, he had a sanctioned MMA bout and is set to have another one against MMA legend Tank Abbot! UnknownToaster 02:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Average Joes? Apparently you're some sort of fighting legend. I'd love to see you fight those guys. I can fight and I admit that I wouldn't stand a chance against Kimbo.

Anonymus, You're my superhero! In my village, 2 streets down the road there's also a guy who I wouldn't stand a chance against. Shall i create a Wikipedia article bout him? But I agree with UnknownToaster, due to the fact that he has become a professional MMA fighter, he has to be mentioned in Wikipedia. And next to this, Wikipedia is stuffed with nonsensical articles. Every single f*ckin Pokemon cartoon creature has its own article, so who cares about another backyard brawler, even if he hadn't turned professional, he's way more worth an own article than for example Skiploom or what the hell ever. --134.76.63.1 13:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

well the thing about kimbo is that he is a celeberty and an internet phenom, as such, has fairly wide recongition in the mma world, despite his lack of good opponents. I think it is for these reasons that he should be included.

He now appeared 2x in MMA/UFC. If a random-crap guy from world wrestling federation deserves an wikipedia article, than this guy deserves so as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.108.103.172 (talk) 13:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that if Pokemon characters merit a Wiki entry, then a professional fighter -- especially one who has fought on prime-time network television -- does as well. Austinmayor (talk) 14:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey man, Pokemon is srs business.... Don't talk crap about about Pokemon...... 70.71.69.224 (talk) 17:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

^^^LMAO —Preceding unsigned comment added by Outerdrake (talkcontribs) 17:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Age

Since the graphics of the Mercer fight list Kimbo as being 33 years old, I'm going to change his birth date to circa 1974.Ulpian 17:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

This was a mistake, the announcer said this. UnknownToaster 18:00, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the correction.Ulpian 13:14, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem! Forgot to sign the first one gonna sign it now I suppose x.X UnknownToaster 17:00, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Born in April? Where is the source for that information? UnknownToaster 19:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Weight

Is 240 his official weigh-in weight? I haven't seem the Mercer fight, maybe he slimmed down, but Kimbo looks a bit heavier than 240. The sublime directory has his weight at 260. Just wondering where the 240 came from. Turtlescrubber 00:42, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

It was actually 239lbs. MMAfan2007 22:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

This was discussed right before the Kimbo/Mercer fight at CFFC5. They said he walks around the streets at around 280, and planned on slimming down to around 260. He actually weighed in for CFFC5 at 240, which is very light for him.

Thanks, that clears everything up. Turtlescrubber 03:49, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice is actually fighting in the 205 division, light-heavyweight, in the UFC (Ultimate Fighter). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.107.202.127 (talk) 02:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Kimbo weighed in at 225 for the UFC 113 weigh ins.

Height

There's no way Kimbo is 6'2. He barely appeared taller than 5'11 Ken Shamrock standing right next to him. He's 6 feet and a half at best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.219.166.18 (talk) 14:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Excessive info

There's way too much attention on the Kimbo vs. Gannon fight. That is long forgotten and was not the most notable fight of his. His fight with Bird was.

MMAfan2007 22:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree. Everyone just uses the Gannon vs Kimbo match up as a reference to Kimbo's poor cardio ( at the time before MMA ) and his lack of true fighting abilitiy to being matched up to someone with half decent skills. I think the Byrd vs Kimbo fight was the most notable fight due to the fact Kimbo let's him lay a free hit and has so much agression at the time, also the footege at the end of the fight with Byrds eye is a preety big factor aswell. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.34.129 (talk) 07:57, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

just a side not but it is also questionable whether the right actually adheared to the ground and pound rules of his other fights. in these fights there was no hitting someone on the ground and in this fight they fought on the ground which upset many of the spectators —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.163.136.149 (talk) 03:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Image

As the latest uploaded image is about to be deleted, I have asked a Flickr user if they would be willing to change the licence on photos he took at the Mercer fight. Its a Creative Commons licence at the minute, but with a non-commercial right reserved which would have to be removed to be used here. If I forgot to check to see if he responds here's where I asked him. Stu ’Bout ye! 11:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I run the official Kimbo site, and I do have official images that can be used for this page. I also need to link to his oficial site [11] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Esconsult1 (talkcontribs) 21:13, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Fighting style

Kimbo's early fights were much closer to fisticuffs then boxing. To call someone a boxer you should show they have some sort of background in the sport. Bareknuckle fights don't show said background. Also, by definition it can't be called street fighting since they were organized fights. --Mista-X 21:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Why are you double posting to my talk page? Anyway, fisticuffs is a dead sport which was a precursor to modern boxing. That is why when you try to add Kimbo Slice to the main page he is the only boxer from the 21st century (let alone the 20th century). Fisticuffs was a sport who's heyday was in the 18th and 19th century. Are there any fighters in the world who practice the art of "fisticuffs".Turtlescrubber 21:11, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
You're citing the movie fight club as a modern example? Turtlescrubber
I never said anything about Fight Club as an example, and gave two examples aside from Kimbo slice. Fisticuffs is practiced in Russia, Ireland, and many other places as underground fights with rules. They are not street fights, they are not pit fights (because pit fights are organized fights with little or no rules) but fisticufss (organized bareknuckle punching only fights). If Kimbo is a boxer, what cl;ub did he train at? Who was his coach, etc. etc... and even then, what he did was fisticuffs, not boxing. If I bareknuckle fight someone right now, it's not gonna' be called boxing. Seriously, you really need to grow a brain pal. --Mista-X 21:27, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Argue boxing/fisticuffs all you want, but MMA is not a fighting style. Thesaddestday 03:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
That's a good point. Turtlescrubber 03:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

MMA is a fighting style. MIXED MARTIAL ARTS. Common sense. MMAfan2007 16:11, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually that is incorrect. MMA is a sport which encompasses several styles. Thesaddestday 23:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

You failed to answer my question. If you are fighting and you use strikes, wrestling and Judo/BJJ, etc then what did you use? MMAfan2007 15:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

You didn't actually ask a question. If you are fighting and use those techniques then you use those techniques... but you don't use a style called MMA. As for how fighting style is generally used for MMA fighters, it tends to list their strengths (i.e. Shaolin is a BJJ guy, Mirko is a kickboxer, etc). In the event of an incredibly well rounded guy it could say Muay Thai, BJJ, wrestling, etc. I think it would be best to give him a chance to fight some more and if he is utilizing wrestling, mt, etc well then add it. Otherwise I highly object to listing BJJ on his page considering he is most definitely a brand new white belt haha. Thesaddestday 00:08, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright, well lets come to an agreement. If he uses the same styles he used against Mercer on Tank Abbott, can he be credited for this being his fighting style(Boxing, Grappling, BJJ)? It seems like he does not JUST wanna use boxing. He appreciates MMA and is trying to learn it all and use it all. MMAfan2007 19:17, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to see what he does against someone... better than Tank haha. Tank is going to gas on the way to the ring, try to KO him in an immediate brawl, and probably get taken down. Against a well rounded fighter though, I think BJJ will be one of the last things he uses effectively, though. But this is just what I think. More feedback from others would be nice. Thesaddestday 01:23, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

That's true what you said about the BJJ, but I think he'll use the grappling more effectively though to be credited. MMAfan2007 18:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, first I am going to apologize for before. I was in a bad mood and got frustrated. Second, I would like to come to a consensus here. I think it is pretty clear that Kimbo is not and was not ever a boxer. Can we list his style as Bare-knuckle boxing or Pugilism or something? I know some of you think it is an outdated way of describing it, but I don't know what else to call bare-knuckle punching only fights. It's not Pit fighting (which includes kicking and punching) or streetfighting (which is an impromptu fight with no rules), so what else do we call Kimbo's old fights? OR we can look at what Bas Rutten teaches. What does he call his style and the style of his students? As for MMA, if you train to fight in Mixed Martial Arts tournaments, then you are training MMA. I guess it's not a really a "style", per say, but a "way" or "system". To me, saying someone who fights in MMA can't call MMA their style is like saying kickboxing isn't a style. I train Submission fighting and MMA; also in the International Fight League and KOTC I have seen them list fighter's styles as MMA. Are these professional organizations wrong? In any case, I hope we can work together to keep this article in good quality and stop the squabbling. --Mista-X 03:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Bas Rutten's article lists his style as MMA. --Mista-X 16:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
He's an MMA fighter now so there is no point in saying MMA. It would be best to list their main fighting style(s) to give uneducated people an idea of what the guy does. Thesaddestday 02:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
MMA is a (type of) rules set, 'Sprawl & brawl' is a style used in MMA, "mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter" is a fair description, what did he train in originally? --Nate1481( t/c) 09:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Howabout "freestyle fighter"? As in, what Bruce Buffer used to call fighters who did not really have a style or has their own style? That's what they used to call Evan Tanner, who learned how to fight by his own bad self (and some videotapes). hateless 00:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually that's a good idea. I'm in favor of "freestyle fighter". Thesaddestday 01:02, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Fine with me. Turtlescrubber 01:04, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Good call, add it in. --Nate1481( t/c) 09:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Leave it at Boxing until his next fight. One fight is hardly justice in this case. MMAfan2007 21:55, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Is anyone going to provide some evidence or anything at all to back up the label "boxer"? Or does it just sound neater to call him a boxer? The best way to describe what Kimbo's old fights were is Fisticuffs. --Mista-X 18:07, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

This website describes Kimbo's fights as Fisiticuffs. --Mista-X 18:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Didn't notice they took the content from an older version of this wikipedia page?Turtlescrubber 00:08, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Arbitrary break

Since this discussion's going around in circles, I've boldly gone ahead and done something. Since the record is a point of contention and is explained in the text as prose, and putting in a fighting style would be original research, I've changed up to the {{Male adult bio}} template. Don't laugh, I know what it should be used for.  east.718  00:29, August 18, 2007 

Sounds like a good idea East. Thesaddestday 01:10, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
It's certainly not the best solution, but hopefully some forced discussion with nothing on the page will help to establish some consensus.  east.718  05:29, August 18, 2007 

I don't think their is real origin for Kimbo's fighting style, it is just stand up bareknuckle boxing with the use of elbows, their is no allowence for the use of an elbow in fisty cuffs. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.161.34.129 (talk) 07:59, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

In the recent match against Thompson on network television, he was introduced as being a brawler. Now, i realize this is probably OR, but if somebody could find a source on that? It seems more accurate then "boxing" or "fisticuffs" at any rate. 172.164.16.91 (talk) 01:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Fight Record

Kimbo Slice is notable because of one thing: barenuckle boxing. His barenuckle boxing career is thus relevant to the entry, just as other boxers have their previous fights and results listed. The problem is that the fight details and results were never referenced, so editors would sometimes remove them altogether since there wasn't a proper citation. Wikipedia doesn't allow Youtube videos as references, nor does it allow videos to be used as external links or references if they do not appear on the site held by the video's copyright owner. Sublime Directory owns all rights to every Kimbo barenuckle fight (plus they wear Sublime Directory shirts in the videos), which is why the videos contain all fight details (fighter height, weight, names, etc). The fight record is relevant to the entry, and it needs a source, and the only source that supports the fight details is the website of the video copyright owners. It's a perfectly acceptable reference, just like TMZ.com was (as the copyright holders) for the infamous "Kramer" video. To remove the fight record and its reference is blatant vandalism. KimboSlice 03:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a pretty fucked up thing to do to call me a vandal over and over again. You have been reverted by four or five other editors. You are the one vandalizing this page by adding porn links over and over again. It's not a reference but a link to a porn site that hosts illegal videos. Who knows if it's official or not. Nobody wants your commercial porn link on this page so please stop adding it. And change your name as you are not kimbo slice. Turtlescrubber 03:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
You're a vandal that apparently has vandalized a number of political entries (hence the constant revisions against you sitewide and the comments by other contributors). You are also making personal attacks at this point, which is against Wiki policy, if you continue I will have to report you. The site owns the copyrights to the videos, end of story. Whether or not you are personally happy with the other content that appears on the website is completely irrelevant, as playboy.com, hustler.com and countless other websites with nudity and content that people consider "porn" are used as references on wikipedia. If another reference was available, we could use it, but seeing as one isn't, it makes sense to use the actual source of the videos which owns those copyrights. Furthermore you don't know who I am, and that in itself is also irrelevant as to how an article is sourced. KimboSlice 03:54, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Personal attack? You are the only one making personal attacks. Please report me. You will be reverted by other editors as you have been in the past.Turtlescrubber 03:57, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
You have also violated the 3rr. Please stop editing the page for 24 hours as no one likes your edit war. Thanks;) Turtlescrubber 03:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

(from his talk page):

Please continue this discussion on that talk page, not mine, that way everyone who edits the article in the future can see the discussion. There's nothing to indicate that it's unreliable, though. KimboSlice 17:52, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
The link is to a porn site. Therefore, the site is hardly reliable, and you can't use it for citations. You've been repeatedly warned against adding this, please stop! Gscshoyru 17:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Unless someone here can post an actual Wikipedia rule which states that a site that contains pornography can't be used as a reliable reference, there is no reason to remove the reference for his fight record. As of yet, no one has actually provided any evidence that such a site is deemed not reliable by Wikipedia's rules of what can and can't be used as a reference. There is a good reason why the videos are located on a site that coincidentally contains pornography: Kimbo worked for RK Netmedia, a porn company, he also appears in videos for "In The VIP". Sublime Directory is the site of one of the RK cameramen, which is why the site contains every Kimbo fight with full details and their own watermarks (and not that of another site). The cameraman and Kimbo even offer Sublime Directory shirts to beaten opponents, its in the videos. Because it's filmed under the name Sublime Directory, the videos are their copyrighted works, as opposed to that of RK or another entity. So its not unusual that the videos appear on a site with pornography, considering the only camera man Kimbo allows to film his fights is one associated with the Porn company that he worked for while these fights were taking place. This should clear up what distinguishes Sublime Directory from other sites, in the meantime, someone should post the rule about porn sites being unreliable references if this is indeed the case, because I have yet to see evidence otherwise. KimboSlice 17:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of whether it's a pornography site, the site isn't reliable. That being said, the pornography that people see when they click on the link doesn't help your case, either. Please see the relevant wikipedia policy concerning reliable sources. Everything you say in your argument is conjecture unless you can prove otherwise and the burden of proof lays squarely on your shoulders. In any case, a little known porn site hosting illegal fight videos is nowhere near reliable and even if it were, would not be the ideal site to link to. This opens up wikipedia to charges of copyright violation and other legal entanglements. Please read over the appropriate wikipedia policies and see if you can understand why you are constantly reverted. Then think about changing your username as it is grossly inappropriate to use when you are editing this page. Also, if you have any connection or are benefiting monetarily by linking to this commercial site, realize that is also a violation of wikipedia policy. Turtlescrubber 21:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
(edit conflict) See WP:V and WP:RS. Though not explicitly mentioned, commercial porn sites are not valid sources, unless the article has to do with them. Your sources are not reliable or verifiable. Gscshoyru 21:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
First off, to Turtlescrubber's comments: "a little known porn site hosting illegal fight videos is nowhere near reliable". Out of millions of sites on the web, SublimeDirectory.com ranks in the top 5,000 websites online in terms of traffic (source: Alexa.com), so it is clearly a known and established website. Second, the fighting takes place on private property and isn't illegal, which is why Gannon (a Boston police officer) was able to fight without losing his job. "even if it were, would not be the ideal site to link to" - this is completely POV and has nothing to do with Wikipedia policy. What we have is one of the most visited sites in the world, with copyrighted videos of activity between willing participants that isn't illegal, I fail to see how that makes the site unreliable. And to Gscshoyru: "Though not explicitly mentioned, commercial porn sites are not valid sources", you have just admitted that sites containing porn are not mentioned in Wikipedia's rules of what can be referenced, but rather that you feel that they aren't reliable. You're knowingly vandalizing the page with every edit that you make. KimboSlice 21:45, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure he meant the videos being online was illegal, not the fights themselves. Second of all, read the policy. It can't list every possible source that's not reliable, but it can explain what makes something reliable, and it does. That webpage falls very, very far of the mark. Gscshoyru 21:52, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
So, who owns the copyright? But before you answer that, prove it. Also, change your name. Oh, and then prove that the page in question qualifies as a reliable source. Conversation over. Get to it. Turtlescrubber 21:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Article Protected

I have protected this article for twelve hours due to disruptive edits. Editors are reminded to avoid edit wars at all costs, and to discuss disputed edits on the talk page before reverting. Editors who continue to revert without discussion will be blocked.

Cheers! — madman bum and angel 04:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Is such protection still appropriate in February 2008? 68.229.184.37 (talk) 09:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Upcoming fight against James Thompson

He is scheduled to fight James Thompson, source: http://mmamania.com/2008/04/02/kimbo-slice-vs-james-thompson-cbs-saturday-night-fights-main-event-booked/

Can someone edit this in when the article is unlocked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.123.162 (talk) 18:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

This fight is NOT confirmed. The quoted article has a ? in the title. The first paragraph has the words "rumored" and "apparently". NO official word form EliteXC. This is just a rumor. http://www.sportsline.com/mmaboxing/headtohead/cbs_exc_53108 lists his opponent as TBA, as does the EliteXC website. Please edit out next match info as its NOT a fact.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 19:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the article and citation to reflect this. --Ubiq (talk) 06:08, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, NOW its official http://www.elitexc.com/assets/pdf/news/2008/elitexc_saturday_night_fights_card.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 13:02, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


MOVIE

It should be included in the article Kimbo had a role in the movie Blood and Bone staring Michael Jai White, and also includes other MMA fights Bob Sapp, and Gina Carano. IMDB profile: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0346631/ and trailer to movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0IViBu1cEc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 21:12, 12 May 2008 (UTC)


Questionable Tactics

"Although Slice was defeated by Gannon and his questionable tactics..." i saw the video and didnt see any questionable tactics by gannon, I just saw a bunch of Kimbo's buddies jump in and seperate them anytime it looked like he was about to lose. Which still resulted in him being downed pretty much consistantly at the end. Anybody care to cite the fact that questionable tactics were used? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.166.58.116 (talk) 09:36, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree this comment is not supported, and is made by a Kimbo fan that can't accept defeat. Gannons 5 second choke in the beginning of the match had no affect on the outcome. Furthermore, Kimbo also violated the rules by hitting Gannon when he was down. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 17:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the two above comments. Anyone have a reference for the "questionable tactics." I will tag it. Thanks. --DreamsAreMadeOf (talk) 17:45, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I have 2 issues...

I have 2 issues with this article about Kimbo Slice. The first thing is that there is an error in the article. The way it reads, it suggests that Bas Rutten trained Kimbo when Kimbo was fighting on the streets. This is incorrect, Bas Rutten only started training him when he left street fighting days behind. Logically, would someone like Bas Rutten sanction street fights?! Secondly, I think its ridiculous that there is nothing in the article about the fact the Kimbo is a convicted felon. He is quoted as saying that he "learnt how to fight in prison'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.59.35.119 (talk) 15:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. If you think those edits are legit, then edit the article. Austinmayor (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm 99% sure you're right on the Ruten issue, but i'm at work and can't check all the refs. I'll try to get to it when I get home if no one beats me to it. On the convicted felon part we need to keep in mind WP:BLP. To add that, it not only needs to be true, but it needs to be backed up with an iron clad source. If we have that then it probably has a place in his background, but not without a clear reliable source reference.--Cube lurker (talk) 14:16, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm going to move the Ruten sentance. Feel free to advise if it could be done better.--Cube lurker (talk) 01:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The article is semi-protected, making it more difficult to correct the first misleading statement listed above. Bas Rutten DID NOT train Kimbo until long after the Sean Gannon fight, and after his back-alley brawling vids on Youtube. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.227.85.2 (talk) 13:51, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Why This Has Been Nominated For Deletion (May 31, 2008)

The majority of this article is clearly a blatant copy and paste of the website Kimbo Slice Fights which can be evidenced from the first page of the site. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ talk 23:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Somehow the tag was removed and no record of it was available in the article's history. How the hell did that happen? ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ talk 00:30, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Quite the opposite actually: this page has grown organically over 2,300 edits, while that one has stolen content from here. east.718 at 00:36, June 1, 2008
Ah, ok. Glad someone could clear that up. Most situations from my experience typically are a result of persons copying from websites, not the opposite. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ talk 01:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
This is the same, not the opposite. Wikipedia is a website. tomasz. 14:45, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Press Conference Confrontation

I believe it is noteworthy to mention the post fight press conference. Fellow heavyweight Brett Rogers said Kimbos performance was garbage, looked right at Kimbo anbd said "you know you tapped". Kimbo stood up and said "That sounds like a challenge to me, dog". Promoter Gary Shaw stood in between them and ordered them to back off, saying "We'll do it in the cage". This video is available on numerous sources including Sherdog, YouTube, and MMANews.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.139.162.232 (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Kimbo vs Brett Rogers

Kimbo said on a radio show he will fight Rogers, likely in October. Here is the link to the radio station- in the center column, click on "Kimbo Slice" and you can hear the full interview. http://www.790theticket.com/shows.php?show=The+Dan+Le+Batard+Show+with+Stugotz# EliteXC promoter acknowledges Kimbo vs Rogers likely for October http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=13088

  • This information needs to be corrected. That fight was in the negotiating stage along with Sean Gannon and Ken Shamrock. Sherdog.com has just confirmed that the fight will be Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock and that Elite XC has both fighters signed.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/shamrock-gets-next-shot-at-slice-14185 Unak78 (talk) 22:13, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice v Seth 'Silverback' Petrucelli

ABC telecasted EliteXC Fights on October 4th, 2008 .

The main event was scheduled to be Kimbo Slice v Ken Shamrock. Ken Shamrock did not show/fight for a reason of a cut to the left eye during warm up to the main event.

Kimbo was TKOed on the 1st round 14 second by a jab to the jaw. The fight was stopped. His record is now 3 Wins, 1 lost.

I am one of one, I am the only One. (talk) 03:19, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree that Slice was stopped by a jab to the jaw. Watching the fight again (it's on the net) it looks like Slice leans in, Pet throws some right hands, but I contend that he caught Slice with a right leg front kick on the way in. Then he throws the right hands. Watching the tape, you can see that the right hand snaps Slice's head. After, he has a cut over his left eyebrow, and swelling under the left eye. Did this happen because of the ground and pound? Maybe. But its a lot of damage for a mere jab to the jaw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.145.59.90 (talk) 02:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice Was Disqualified NOT TKO

In The Article of Kimbo Slice fights, It says he was TKO'ed but he was really Disqualified and I think wiki should change that up cause Kimbo was Beasting on the other guy.

The official result is a TKO. --aktsu (t / c) 05:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Should there be an indication as to the controversy of the announcer and the mulligan remark? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.23.87.75 (talk) 11:16, 7 October 2008 (UTC)


Today on Pardon the Inturuption on ESPN, they mentioned Kimbo is going to be a professional boxer now, I can't find this news anywhere. Anyone know where they were getting this from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryanbrownsports (talkcontribs) 23:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Hidden vandalism

Please remove the sentence "The 'Kimbo Slice bandwagon' is officially over". 66.57.44.247 (talk) 20:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Blah, never mind. 66.57.44.247 (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


Ray Mercer Fight

Umm it says he won against Ray Mercer in the the Pro-Exhibition match, he actually lost against Mercer. So yeah, change to "lost" (124.169.16.233 (talk) 13:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC))

No he didn't. He won. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 14:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

drake and josh christmas movie

He has a role in this movie i think it should be added. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.105.64.154 (talk) 22:50, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Drake & Josh

Ummh, yeah isn't Kimbo Slice in the Drake & Josh Christmas Special? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.187.56.40 (talk) 02:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Kimbo's Flagicon

If Kimbo was born in the Bahamas shouldnt his flagicon be Bahamas User:Sepulwiki 20:06, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Strikeforce

Strikeforce did buy up a bunch of EliteCX's assets, but there are several fighters who's contracts are still outstanding. I have not seen anything reported on Kimbo Slice contract. If no citation can be found regarding this then the Strikeforce should be removed until something is offical with Kimbo Slice's contract (Justinsane15 (talk) 20:44, 7 February 2009 (UTC)). Kimbo's contract has not yet been offically picked up, several sources mention this (ex. http://mmajunkie.com/news/13953/mmajunkie-com-fight-biz-strikeforce-accelerates-growth-with-proelite-showtime-deals.mma), thus it should not be on the article until its offical. (Justinsane15 (talk) 00:56, 10 February 2009 (UTC))


Charlie Zelenoff

Someone remove the link to this scam at last, please... And when you're busy doing that also remove the Charlie Zelenoff wiki-entry... Doesn't anybody notice? He is a SCAM. FAKE. gee... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.20.37.176 (talk) 04:29, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Sadly, Zelenoff is very much for real. He is probably the opposite to Slice but their are paralells between the two and the link is valid - IMO.--Vintagekits (talk) 10:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Please stop creating links to the Zelenoff spoof page. It was amusing for about 1 minute.Lordvolton (talk) 00:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Porn Site

Why do we need an external link to a porn site in the article. Could somebody remove the sublimedirectory.com link. 173.73.6.197 (talk) 01:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done --aktsu (t / c) 11:41, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. 173.73.6.197 (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

The Ulimate Fighter 10

On Sherdog.com and ESPN it was annouced that Kimbo will be on the Ultimate Fighter 10. Could we add this to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redwardj (talkcontribs)

There is already mention of it in the intro to the article. --TreyGeek (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

We should mention he lost his last fight in UF when a fat dude smothered him with his big fat belly. Natediesel (talk) 13:47, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Antivirus advertisement

I recently added a small line regarding Kimbo's appearance in an ad and tried to keep it neutral as possible. However if the direct link to Symantec's website hosting the video is inappropriate there is a copy of the advertisement on youtube [here]. Please feel free to replace the citation if necessary! Vince Navarro (talk) 17:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice vs. Kevin Ferguson

Shouldn't we rename this article to reflect his real name? And along that lines shouldn't his real name be used in fight card articles as well? We use real names for other fighters who are better known by a nickname such as: Mirko Cro Cop, Shogun Rua, Ninja Rua, Rampage Jackson, etc. --Drr-darkomen (talk) 22:03, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

You are bringing up a couple issues. First for the article title. I think keeping it as "Kimbo Slice" is alright. The name is also supported by Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies)#Names ("the article title should generally be the name by which the subject is most commonly known"). He has fought professionally (and whatever you want to call his bare knuckle fights) by the name "Kimbo Slice." (Yes, there's an exception where spectators call him Fergy or something along the lines of Ferguson.)
As for mentioning his name in the contents of articles. I raised this question on the talk page of The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights. The only other person to comment suggested using Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson in the first instance and then Kimbo Slice the rest of the way. Of the fighters you cite above, the first one I looked at (Cro Cop) has his nickname in, at least, one fighter's record history and uses his full "full" name in the fight card article. And in other places I see only their given name(?) used. So there isn't entirely a consensus on how to present names in articles. --TreyGeek (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Think of it like Tiger Woods, his real name is Eldrick, but he is professionally known as Tiger. Trunks8719 (talk) 00:28, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

MMA record

Ultimate fighter fights are not treated as professional matches they are exhibition matches, would someone please remove the roy nelson fight from kimbos record as it does not belong long there. Yea i agree , it is an exhibition match therefor remove it from the record please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.16.124.66 (talk) 17:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

what about forrest griffin's fight with stephan bonnar? on his wiki it is a regular match. not to mention others which i will post after finding.

actually it might be my bad. those professional fights were ultimate fighter 'finales'. kimbos was just called ultimate fighter heavyweights, not a finale. i dunno just thought i should note it in case.

Yeah the Forrest vs bonnar fight was an official contest going all three rounds because it was the finale, all fight on the show on the other hand are two round exhibition fights with the possibility of a third round in case of a draw. —Preceding unsigned comment added by A reklats (talkcontribs) 20:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Regular TUF fights are definitely not official professional matches. They do NOT count towards official record. Therefore, the Nelson fight does not go under his official record. Since we already have an 'exhibition match' section for Kimbo, it seems obvious to record it there, I think. Senor Vergara (talk) 01:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Citizenship

He is Bahamian and not an American. This information should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.244.178.168 (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Glad to see this here. From what I've read, I am pretty sure that he is an American citizen but I have no idea of his citizenship status in the Bahamas. Has anyone seen a reliable source that states he has dual citizenship? Until then, I've removed the Bahama flag under nationality as this is a BLP article. BrendanFrye (talk) 00:48, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The UFC listed his country of birth as Bahamas at the UF10 tale of the tape graphic, FYI Taotd (talk) 18:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

That's cool. I've never doubted that he was born in the Bahamas. But is he a citizen of the Bahamas? I honestly do not know how the citizenship laws work in the Bahamas and have never seen that referenced anywhere. Going by the sources that I have read, he is an American citizen only. BrendanFrye (talk) 19:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
he could have been a dual citizen until his 21 birthday, at which point he as to choose.Whatzinaname (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

IT DOESNT MATTER WHERE HE HAS CITIZENSHIP IF HE WAS BORN IN THE BAHAMAS THEN HIS NATIONALITY IS Bahamian NOT AMERICAN AS THE ARTICLE STATES. PLEASE CHANGE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbott690 (talkcontribs) 14:01, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

ARE YOU SURE?!?!?!? I AM NOT. PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME IN FULL CAPS!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE DO!!!!! BrendanFrye (talk) 19:20, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Not cut from the UFC yet

Can someone please edit the article. Not only is a reference not provided, but anyone watching the post-fight interview with Dana White (who runs the UFC) can see that he has only said "he probably will be cut" rather than he is cut. It will all depend on the Pay Per View buy-in amounts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.152.87 (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

The Times confirmed it [12] AcePuppy (talk) 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Kimbo Slice on Survivor

There are rumors that Kimbo Slice may be a contestant on the next season of Survivor: Nicaragua. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.26.48 (talkcontribs) 16:07, 25 May 2010‎ (UTC)

1) Rumors do not belong on Wikipedia.
2) Should this become fact, provide a reliable source.
--TreyGeek (talk) 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Bare-knuckle boxing career[1]

Opponent Height Weight Fight Winner
(Big D) 6 ft 1 in 270 #1 Kimbo
Rasta (Dreads) 6 ft 0 in 240 #2 Kimbo
Sean Gannon 6 ft 3 in 265 #3 Gannon
Afro Puff 6 ft 5 in 300 #4 Kimbo
Big Mac 5 ft 11 in 300 #5 Kimbo
Adryan 6 ft 1 in 240 #6 Kimbo
The Bouncer 6 ft 3 in 300 #7 Kimbo
Chico 6 ft 4 in 240 #8 Kimbo

Leondegrance (talk) 04:43, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

he is not a citizen of the bahamas

They do not have dual citizenship in that country after the age of 21.Whatzinaname (talk) 10:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind that Wikipedia's policy regarding flags is that a flag is not necessarily used to represent a person's nationality. Rather, it should represent their nationality in a sporting sense. Therefore, if Kimbo intends to fight representing the Bahamas, that would be the appropriate flag. The question is what nation does he feel he represents at each fight. That's a question I don't know the answer to. --TreyGeek (talk) 16:57, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
nobody "represents" a country in professional MMA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.31.229 (talk) 12:43, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
That argument means that all flags should be removed from next to MMA fighters' names. From the Wikipedia Manual of Style on the use of flags: "Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense". --TreyGeek (talk) 12:46, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Kimbo fights out of the US, reps Florida and is not a citizen of the Bahamas. He'll keep the American flag in his profile. Case closed unless new evidence is brought to light. BrendanFrye (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
I agree in keeping the American flag for now (in lieu of my preference of removing all flags). However, to play devil's advocate do we have a reliable source to show that he "reps Florida" or the United States in his fights? He does have the flag of the Bahamas on his mouth piece; how can we be sure that he represents the US and not the Bahamas (again, playing devil's advocate)?
It doesn't matter. Many of the sports figures in wikipedia have devoted fans far more interested in pushing their given POV than adding useful information. Hence most of these "flag wars" and natuionality wars are usually completely bankrupt of any sort logical thinking. See things like Fedor, who is ethnically Ukrainian but constantly refered on wikipedia as "russian". So we just do what makes the most sense. Kimbo lives in the USA, and only holds citizenship in the USA, and no one is delegated to fight for a country like the olympics or some such, so there is really no argument for the Bahamian flag, only arguments against.Whatzinaname (talk) 11:15, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Locked Down link

In the Filmography section, Locked Down links to a single from the Norwegian band Turbonegro. --82.171.13.139 (talk) 23:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. --TreyGeek (talk) 23:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Petruzelli fight controversy

I was quite surprised and a little bit amazed to read the following extract from a Bas Rutten interview:

“He just turned into a different guy, he didn’t need to do the things that I told him to do,” explained Bas in a recent interview with Fighters Only Magazine. “He wasn’t going to go to the ground, you know? The day before the [Petruzelli] fight, I told him I wanted to go over heel hooks and escapes, and he said “Nah, its not going to go to the ground

“I said ‘Ha, I like that attitude – but what if it does go to the ground?’ but he said ‘Its not going to go’.(...)

The above is quoted from an article of fiveouncesofpain.com: http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/06/20/bas-rutten-has-zero-respect-for-kimbo-slice/

Wouldn't it be relevant to mention that interview when describing the controversy surrounding the Petruzelli fight? I mean this, in addition to the comments Petruzelli made before backing them down, would certainly make it harder to give Slice the benefit of the doubt...

I could see adding the following to the article: In an interview to Fighter's Only magazine, recounting a conversation between him and Kimbo, his trainer Bas Rutten declared that Slice repeatedly refused to train ground grappling movements during his training session on the day preceding the fight, stating multiple times that the fight wouldn't go to the ground.

I might do the edit myself if there are no overwhelming objections.ThorinMuglindir (talk) 00:42, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hum finally such an edit would probably not be fair in the big picture. Since yesterday I saw other Rutten interviews where he basically states the opinion that the Petruzelli fight being fixed to not go to the ground is unthinkable. Personally speaking, I still think his declarations on Fighters Only hint at something, though. ThorinMuglindir (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

merhaba :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.142.29.164 (talk) 22:05, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Request: Fill Gap of Four Years

From 2011 to his next MMA match in 2015, there's a gap. Can anyone fill it up? I guess if somebody could, it would have been done, but surely doesn't hurt to ask I hope. Cheers. Gretchen Mädelnick (talk) 10:28, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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TKO from exhaustion

The source from ESPN says exhaustion is the reason for the TKO. I cannot find any source that says it was due to punches. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 20:23, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Sherdog -- the standard by which all MMA records are referenced on Wikipedia -- list it as TKO (punches). When announced live it was TKO due to punches. Udar55 (talk) 23:32, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
@Udar55: I'll take your word for it about the acceptance of the source. Thank you for providing it. I know I was being a bit of a butt about it, but ppl kept putting things from punches to heart stopped. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 00:43, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Failed drug test

This is getting absurd. Slice failed the drug test for the Ken Shamrock fight; currently the Texas commission has made no ruling on the fight. Amazingly, editor after editor keeps changing the result of the DaDa 5000 fight to "no contest" on here. Even more amazing, they link to articles clearly stating the failed test was for the Shamrock fight and Wikipedia editors still okay it. Udar55 (talk) 15:56, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

  • Udar55 The failed drug test was definitely a pre-fight for the DADA 5000 fight at Bellator 149. He tested positive for an anabolic steroid and an elevated (T/E) ratio, however as you stated the fight is not yet a NC as it hasn't been ruled on by the state of Texas.
    • Gah! I will fully admit I'm a moron in regards to getting the bout wrong. Made the corrections but will keep correcting the MMA record until it is officially changed. Udar55 (talk) 17:58, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

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Dada 5000 fight is now a No Contest

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2016

He has died. Kramar69 (talk) 03:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done Unless there are reliable, third party sources that confirm this, we can't add it to the article. Mike VTalk 03:29, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Larger news sites are starting to pick it up, still may not meet reliability guidelines though http://uproxx.com/sports/kimbo-slice-dead-ufc-ultimate-fighter-elitexc/ TheNeutroniumAlchemist (talk) 03:38, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

  1. ^ Directory, Sublime. "Official Kimbo Fight Videos". Sublime Directory. Retrieved 2007-09-18.