Talk:Kingdom of Balhara
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- Surely. should be rewrited as an article about concept among the Bulgarian scholars. --Üñţïf̣ļëŗ (see also:ә? Ә!) 15:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
OR and spurious material removed
"The inhabitants of Balhara were called Bulh in the 5th-7th century Armenian geographical atlas ‘Ashharatsuyts’. The atlas describes them as an old settled, artisan and trading nation rather than nomadic tribe, inhabiting the area centered around the ancient major city of [[Balkh|Balh (Balkh) that comprised roughly present northern Afghanistan and most of Tajikistan."
What Atlas? Balkh (earlier Bactria and an ancient Iranian city) has not a thing to do with Bulgars or their ancestors, and the material provided does not provide support for the claims. No such people were ever recorded as living in Balkh by credible alternative sources, were they?
The Bulhi contributed to the ethnogenesis of the present Tajiks in both Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan, and possibly the homonymous ethnic group of Balhara in India.
Here a citation of the Brockhaus Bilder-Conversations-Lexikon, Band 1. 1837., S. 339-340. (Sorry that I couldnt find a english source, but since Iam German I will provide a small translation): "Die Bucharen, auch Tadschiks genannt, machen den civilisirtesten, allein nur den vierten Theil der Bevölkerung aus, bewohnen die Städte, treiben Landwirthschaft und sind die vornehmsten Handels- und Gewerbsleute dieser Gegenden, die außerdem von Türken, Juden, Persern und Afghanen bewohnt werden."
"The Bucharians, or Tajiks called, compromising the most civilized, but only a fourth of all people, they live in cities, live from agriculture and are the most noble merchants in this area, where also Turks, Jews, Persians and Afghans live."
For "Bucharen" I like also to add that in old german its common to write things like you speak them, therefore it could also stand for Bulgaren, which means Bulgarians. Also in other old sources the today Bulgaria (germ. Bulgarien) its called sometimes Bucharia (germ. Bucharien).
The whole theorie about the Bulgarians coming from this part of the world is not just a "new" idea of some "Bulgarian Nationalist" as you call them, but stands on serious foundations as you see here. The problem is that for now nobody made a conection between this clear evidences. Iam sorry for my bad english but Iam just a young german history student and hope you forgive me :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 11:51, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Please remember that this is an encyclopedia, not a blog. And as such, the above quote is simply abuse of the encyclopedia. Obviously no support exists for any of these statements.--Jhelyam (talk) 17:28, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
As it says right below where I'm typing, ENCYCLOPEDIC CONTENT MUST BE VERIFIABLE! What evidence is there of any connection between Bulgarians and ancient Bukhara, or Balkh? That is, that isn't pseudohistorical, such as pointing out coincidental false cognates without any use of real, verifiable comparative method. Someone, please remove this article, or change its name and theme to show that this is a theoretical construct, and not widely accepted history.
In Sanskrit, "Bal" means "strength" and "hara" means "the possessor",
Bulgaria is Volgaria
- As you mention Lithuanian language, you might possibly know that in his study of Thracian language the prominent Bulgarian linguist Ivan Duridanov registers the best parallel between Thracian and Lithuanian of all other languages, see his The Language of the Thracians. Apcbg (talk) 15:08, 12 September 2011 (UTC)