Talk:Kingdom of Tahiti

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Move[edit]

I move Pomare Dynasty to this present title because the article is about the kingdom. A seperate article should be created that about the family itself, with details about what happen to the family before and after the Kingdom of Tahiti was annexed to France.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:42, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Rewrite[edit]

Someone should rewrite this to make it look more like a Kingdom of X article rather a complying of sections from the articles on the monarchs of Tahiti and their family.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:00, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

The impact section sounds really unneutral. I heard sources that the Tahitian people don't think really highly of the Pomares since the last king Pomare V basically sold away his people and culture for alcohol and money. And I highly doubt Tahiti had any political power beyond the waters of their islands much less to all the way in Rapa Nui. The Rapa Nui artifcats came from Tahitians sailors that came to Rapa Nui aboard European ships and return home with souvenirs.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone needs to help me shrink the coat of arms. It's too big and the box doesn't allow me to change the size.

infobox[edit]

I begin on an infobox former country but I know too little about this country to fill in most of the gaps.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 00:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Kingdom of Tahiti
1791?–1880
Coat of arms
Coat of arms
Motto
is there one???
Anthem
is there one???
Kingdom of Tahiti
Capital Papeete (from 1847)
Languages Tahitian
Government Absolute monarchy
(until ?)
Constitutional monarchy
(from ?)
Monarch
 •  1788–1803 Pōmare I (first)
 •  1877–1880 Pōmare I (last)
Legislature What was the Legislative body?
History
 •  Unification 1788–1791 1791?
 •  Disestablished 1880
Currency British pound,
French franc
Preceded by
Succeeded by
Tahiti#History
French Polynesia

Image overload[edit]

Can the user who is adding images after images please stop? This is not a place to do that. There is no need for so many images. You can create articles to use those images or upload them to the commons and categorize them as Category:Kingdom of Tahiti or Category:History of Tahiti. I've uploaded ten times as much images on the history of the Kingdom of Hawaii but I know better then to plug them all into the article Kingdom of Hawaii.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Response[edit]

Rapa Nui was owned by the Pomare prince Alexander Salmon, Jr. from 1878 to 1888 when he sold the island to Chile. Rapa Nui aslo worked as day laborers and copra plantation workers under Salmon's father and a Mason Brander. Salmon Jr. repatriated them and ran the island as a sheep ranch, while trying to rehabilitate it and encouraging natives to make fake Rongorongo as novelty items for passers-by. He also saved at least three genuine pieces of Rongorongo which are housed in Vienna and Berlin.

The last Queen of the Kingdom, Johanna Marau Ta‘aroa was his sister, and also the de facto ruler during Pomare V's reign. Salmon and the Queen were children of Oehau, Pomare IV's adopted sibling from Mangareva in the Marquesas archipelago. It's important to note this because although the Pomare dynasty primarily ruled over Mo'orea, Tahiti and a few other Society Islands, it did have an extensive influence in its region and effectively controlled or had within its sphere of influence much of what is now French Polynesia, as well as parts of the Cook Islands and Rapa Nui, through a combination of marriage and other alliances, capitulation to Pomare strength, and an odd case of land acquisition in the case of Easter Island. I'll include this information.

I acknowledge that the map used is may not be the most accurate even in light of this, but I honestly don't know, for example, what islands in the Marquesas it did control and what islands it didn't, and I don't know if much documentation or research in that field has been done. I'm guessing it is such a specific matter that it would only be in French. I don't know what islands they did control and didn't exactly, but I know they ruled most of the Society Islands, and had strong influence or control over the Tuamotu and parts of the Marquesas and Cook Islands, so I don't know if is justifiable to change the map without a reliable alternative. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanib (talkcontribs) 05:58, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I doubt Alexander Salmon, Jr. enjoyed any royal recognition and was merely the son of a Tahitian chiefess an ari'i rahi, I think. He was a businessman from Tahiti. His de-facto rule over Rapa Nui had nothing to do with Tahiti. Did he claim the islands in the name of the Kingdom? It likes saying the American James Harden-Hickey ruled Principality of Trinidad making Trinidad part of the United States of America. Also marriage alliances are just alliances. Alliances does equal influences but not political influences in anyway. For instance even the other Society Islands: Bora Bora, Huahine and Raiatea were never part of the Kingdom of Tahiti which was enforce by treaties with France and Britain in 1847 that says Tahiti could not control the leeward islands, even if Queen Pomare IV's son and daughter happen to rule Raiatea and Bora Bora.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:13, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Plus the Salmon's were not part of the Pomare family. Arii Taimai was the adoptive daughter of one of Pomare II's widow probably Pomare IV's mother Teriitooterai Teremoemoe. Arii Taimai was not part of the dynasty; she and her descendants considered themselves as part of the Teva clan rather than the Pomare family.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Thinking about it, I did intend for the page to be primarily about the family originally and shouldn't have included the country information bar. I thought it might work to have both the family and state information together just because I considered the organization in Tahiti to be more of a family ties sort of arrangement than a state. I know marriage ties do not necessarily imply control, but in the case that one power is clearly larger and more powerful than another, in the absence of strong foreign influence, I think one organization tends to become almost vassal to another. At any rate, that is uncertainty, and page more explicitly about the state and about what exactly is certain is more simple and preferable, I agree. I'll just copy the text to create a new page for the family material. As this is now an article for the Kingdom of Tahiti, which is deserving of its own article, it should probably be changed substantially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nanib (talkcontribs) 21:32, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Exactly what I was concern about up there. There should be two articles.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Rather than listing the bio info of each rulers this article should be about the history of the kingdom of everyone in it, rather than just the monarchs, and wars and political crisis and conflicts in its history. The same for an article on the Dynasty. The bio info should be added to the articles on the rulers themselves; some of the info on this article isn't even on the articles of the rulers. The dynasty article should talk about the origin of the family, its ancestry and genealogy, a list of notable members with links to articles about them, the dynasty's rise to power and its fall, and its current status and claimaints or heirs. See examples like House of Kamehameha and House of Kalakaua which I've help edited. Try using more reliable sources than internet articles like history books which you can find a bunch on Tahitian history in libraries or Google Books.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:36, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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