Talk:Kirk Douglas

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WP:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers priority assessment[edit]

Per debate and discussion re: assessment of the approximate 100 top priority articles of the project, this article has been included as a top priority article. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Divorce?[edit]

The article mentions two divorce dates: 1953 and 1951. Which one is correct? Based on a quick internet search, I'd say 1951 is correct, but I'd just be guessing. Does anyone know for sure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pim 2 (talkcontribs) 13:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Selling snacks to buy milk & bread[edit]

Why? Why not just eat the snacks? --Streona (talk) 13:43, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Because doing so would have caused malnutrition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.5.242.75 (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Banjo playing on Jack Benny's TV show[edit]

I removed a paragraph about a single appearance Douglas made on a TV show, one where he played banjo in a humorous sketch with other celebrities on The Jack Benny Program. The editor returned the paragraph, so I am asking other editors for their take on it. Is this single appearance notable enough for an encyclopedia article summarizing a man's life? Did the single TV episode get notable coverage by outside observers at the time, or in published biographies such as the ones by McBride, Munn and Press?

Response to Binksternet:
Hi Bink and fellow editors, first off, please excuse or at least try to tolerate my newbie status, I am new to actively making contributions. Now then, the impetus for my article addition started with the discovery of this particular acting credit (appearance on The Jack Benny Program) in Kirk Douglas' listing on Internet Movie Database: Kirk Douglas. I then checked the Kirk_Douglas article here and found the same omission, so I added it to the Filmography section.
After watching the episode initially and several times since, I submit the following for consideration: 1) It was part of a TV series that was popular in its time; 260 episodes over eleven years. 2) The episode represents an ensemble cast appearance for Douglas (with several notable actors all of which have Wikipedia articles) which is consistent with his history of appearing with many notable actors of the time. 3) The appearance is unique in that it presents a side of Douglas that was rarely seen relative to his film appearances. Douglas was actually playing a tenor banjo (BTW, using the Harry Reser chord-melody arrangement), not pretending to as in his film appearances as a musician 4) It is significant since it highlights one of Douglas' early TV appearances. According to the credits on IMDb.com it appears to be his first TV appearance. 5) It provided the opportunity to add a multimedia link to where the episode an be viewed. From what I have read so far this seems to be encouraged on Wikipedia as long as it adheres to license policies. Additionally, I made the effort to match the tone and syntax (hopefully successfully in your opinions) of the overall article. Given that in the previous paragraph discussed a feature film about the musician Bix Beiderbecke, I thought the placement was appropriate. The chronological order of the placement with regard to Douglas' career was correct as well. Hence my contribution. To be fair and looking at my contribution from a different perspective, if everyone feels that television is not a significant medium or that other facets of an actor's life and career are not pertinent and worthy of publication, then my points are moot. My newbie unfamiliarity with the Wikipedia guidelines notwithstanding, I respectfully submit my contribution. Regards, Chris Scalhotrod (talk) 21:10, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

If it's the first TV appearance then it deserves mention here. 207.241.239.11 (talk) 22:07, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, great... :) How do I do that? And what is it that I am doing? Scalhotrod (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

It would be great to see rich and accurate information in this article, but it appears to me that you are conducting your own research and publishing it here, rather than summarizing the state of Douglas information in books, news and magazines, etc. Read the guideline at WP:NOR to get a sense of the rule for "no original research".
IMDb is not a reliable source; it accepts anonymous entries just like Wikipedia. (In the same sense, Wikipedia is not a reliable source for Wikipedia articles.) If there were a published work on Douglas saying that his Jack Benny appearance was his first TV show, then that would mean we would want it in the article. If the TV show were somehow commented upon by Douglas biographers or reporters, then it doesn't matter if it is first or second or whatever, that mention brings it up out of the general noise of Douglas's various career support activities. Binksternet (talk) 07:15, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

So if I understand your point as you intend it, the basis for your reply is the reliability of IMDb.com as a source rather than my factual description of an appearance credit (which has several sources) and whether my contribution constitutes original research. IMDb.com, although its owned by Amazon.com, it is very much an entertainment industry standard and trusted reference. Is it perfect, no of course not, but in my opinion that is not justification for discrediting it. Books can be wrong too, the difference being that if so that edition is wrong in perpetuity.
With regard to IMDb, let me ask this. What makes filmreference.com a more credible source than IMDb.com. Filmreference.com is the source for material about Douglas' early life which was just updated by another editor. The recent edit is just an observation of information already stated, does that amount to "original research"? By the standard you seem to be applying, the source that the information is attributed to should be challenged and the edit potentially removed. By the way, we're getting off the original point of mentioning Douglas' appearance on the Jack Benny show as musician.
On a separate note, thank you for this discussion. I am learning a tremendous amount about how Wikipedia works and the dynamics involved in editing. I appreciate that you have taken such an interest in my efforts. Scalhotrod (talk) 18:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Editors, just a quick update to address one of Binksternet's comments. To quote Binksternet, "IMDb is not a reliable source; it accepts anonymous entries just like Wikipedia." I found this reference that contradicts that statement, "Due to the process of having the submitted data or text reviewed by a section manager, IMDb is different from database projects like Wikipedia or OpenStreetMap in that contributors cannot add, delete, or modify the data or text on whim, and the manipulation of data is controlled by IMDb technology and salaried staff.", IMDb Sources of Data. Emphasis added by me. Scalhotrod (talk) 20:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Family tree[edit]

It doesn't show the divorces. The dashed lines represent marriages, but there is no distinction shown between those that have ended in divorce and those that have not. The usual way of indicating divorce is to put two slashes in the middle of the line representing marriage, like this: --------//-------- Jim Michael (talk) 00:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Honestly fail to see why the mention of Jewishness is so important in this article. My memory tells me that in interviews with Douglas it becam irrelevant?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.145.70.242 (talk) 17:04, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 174.49.10.66, 28 February 2011[edit]

{{edit semi-protected}} Please fix Kirk's birth year. I just saw him on the Academy Awards and though he's aged quite a bit, I don't think he's 1,094 years of age. Or born in 1716.

174.49.10.66 (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Taken care of by another editor already. Thanks for the heads up though.--v/r - TP 02:28, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

The dates on his 3 Academy award nominations seem to be each off by one year, in no consistent direction. I would just edit this myself but I am not an expert in this domain. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.55.27.4 (talk) 19:29, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Broadway debut - two conflicting statements[edit]

The article has two conflicting statements on Douglas' Broadway debut:

Douglas made his Broadway debut as a singing telegraph boy in Spring Again.

Douglas made his Broadway debut in 1949 in the Anton Chekhov play "The Three Sisters," produced by Katharine Cornell.[16]

I'm not sure which is correct.

Bentcursor (talk) 15:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Date stated on picture of Kirk at Westren Wall in Jerusalem not correct[edit]

The Westren wall in Jerusalem was not in Israeli hands in 1966 while filming "Cast a giant shadow". The Western wall was taken by Israel in the 1967 Six-Day-War, therefore the date seems to be wrong. Another indication is that Kirk looks older here than he looks in "cast a giant shadow" - my estimate is the pic was taken in the 1970s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.69.93.90 (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Films Kirk Douglas appeared in[edit]

It is not mentioned in his films on his page but he had a major part in "Build My Gallows High" released in 1947 with Robert Mitchum & Jane Greer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.125.18.7 (talk) 11:14, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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Pictures[edit]

There are way too many pictures currently in this article. All they do is clutter things up. Should some of them be deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.92.69.129 (talk) 10:12, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Deletionism at its finest.--92.36.232.23 (talk) 19:16, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

The chicken and the ouevre[edit]

Two points. Firstly you have not demonstated that ouevre is a specifically US term.
  • Ouevre in its present context is incorrect. Ouevre refers to a single work only. What is attempting to be described here is the totality of Kubricks work. Suggest " directorial filmography" as compromise. Irondome (talk) 04:10, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Mmmm, no. Ouevre can mean either an entire body of work or an individual work, with the "entire body" definition being generally listed first.
Even so, I wouldn't object to use of a more common word or phrase; we're discussing Spartacus here, not the "Mona Lisa" and "The Last Supper". But you might do yourself a favor in suggesting a simultaneous change to the verb if you were to use the AmE spelling of "recognize". Fat&Happy (talk) 04:45, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
In that case suggest.."considered it to be part of his directorial achievements" Irondome (talk) 05:04, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Change it, it's fine, but in the US, recogniZe, is spelled witha Z. JOJ Hutton 12:47, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok JoJ, thanks for explaining the Z usage, didnt know that. Cheers Irondome (talk) 08:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Birth name | Family name[edit]

The family name was Demsky when Issur was born. Danielovitch was the family name of his father. It was changed to Demsky as last name when the family immigrated to the States. Issur was born in the States, thus with the middle name Danielovitch and last name Demsky. Reading the article references 1-4 carefully supports this. And lots of other sources, other Wikipedias (Belarus (where his parents came from), Russian, German, Simple English etc. etc. etc.) or this entry: Demsky stating Issur Danielovitch Demsky. BTW: transliteration from cyrillic Демский results in: Demskij | Vincenzo1492 (talk) 22:57, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Blogging[edit]

I have changed 'is' to 'was' in reference to blogging as the preceding statement makes it clear he no longer blogs so he isn't the oldest blogger.

The English is pretty bad in this part but I didn't want to mess too much in fear of breaking links — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.197.35 (talk) 19:39, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

It looks like he's still blogging for the Huffington Post at age 97. I don't know the first thing about MySpace; is the term "celebrity blogging" restricted to such sites? Joefromrandb (talk) 05:44, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

copyediting[edit]

The whole article needs some serious copyediting, and source-checking. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:52, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you can list some specific problems or sections that editors can work on. --Light show (talk) 05:21, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
It certainly needs copy-editing. I've been trying to chip away at that task as time allows. I'm unaware of any contentiously or poorly sourced material, and would appreciate specifics, as Light show has suggested. Joefromrandb (talk) 04:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Yiddish[edit]

Why is his name given in Russian? It should be in Yiddish, not Russian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.105.30.12 (talk) 08:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

If you know the Yiddish version of his name feel free to add it. PatGallacher (talk) 22:39, 9 December 2014 (UTC)