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The Kladruber is not a Czech horse, but a horse from the Habsburg Monarchy --Andreas Hausberger (talk) 17:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

How is that? These horses have never been bred outside Bohemia and the breed was set up by a Bohemian aristocratic family. I don't understand your logic. That's like saying that the Reims Cathedral is not a French cathedral, but a cathedral from the Frank Empire. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:47, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Old discussion and a long story, mostly linked to a Slovenian editor who started a "country of origin" spat over at another article. When we get into these spats (we have one like this at Karabakh horse too, Azerbaijan and Armenia are still spatting about Nagorno-Karabakh, sigh), our tendency is to list the national origin as of the time of origin and let the shifting boundaries be argued over by others at the geography articles. Montanabw(talk) 18:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Makes no sense:[edit]

"Maestoso (1773) and Favory (1779): born in Kladruby, became two of the six founding Lipizzaner stallion lineages. Favory returned to Kladruby after WWII, to add new blood to the decimated herd" That statement will mean (asssuming that WWII means World war II) that Favory was at least about 170 years old. Thyl Engelhardt — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:27, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Not my edit. Probably meant the Favory line. Will need to check the sources or find some new ones. Montanabw(talk) 21:32, 2 October 2012 (UTC)


Should the timeline be changed to prose? RJFJR (talk) 21:15, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I have no objection if you want to take a whack at it. I notice the link is shot, though, so someone would probably also have to use Wayback to find the source again. I'd do it, but don't have the time/motivation at the moment. Montanabw(talk) 22:19, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of Imperial stud farm Kladruby nad Labem[1][edit]

Move to talk. There's something odd about some of the the tenses used, it sounds like it is saying the event occurred before a certain date but not sure when it occurred.

  • 1491 Pernstein family has bought the Pardubice estate, later including Kladruby park
  • 1560 Maxmilian II. (emperor since 1563) was given the Pardubice estate with Kladruby park as a gift from the Czech estates
  • 1562 Maximilian II, Holy Roman Emperor has founded an old-Spanish horse stud farm in Kladruby
  • 1579 Rudolf II, Holy Roman Emperor gave the stud farm an Imperial Court Stud Farm statute
  • 1757 Stud farm (with studbook documents) has burned down
  • 1770 Joseph II, Holy Roman Emperor has rebuilt the stud farm
  • 1764 born Pepoli, founding stallion of the gray variety of Kladrubers
  • 1787 born Generale, gray stallion
  • 1797 born Generalissimus, gray stallion
  • 1800 born Sacramoso, black stallion
  • 1844 new Empire (style) stables built
  • 1918 the stud farm managed by the newly established Czechoslovakia
  • 1922 Napoleone bloodline extinct
  • 1995 Kladruber breed was designated a Czech Historic Landmark
  • 2002 Kladruby stud farm and the basic herd of gray Kladrubers was designated a Czech National Historic Landmark
  • 2005 Kladrubers serve on ceremonial occasions at Royal Court of Sweden and are used by mounted police of Sweden as well
I restored it, needs cleanup (probably non-native speaker of English did original) and will clean it up a bit in the article namespace. Montanabw(talk) 21:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)