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Deletion comment[edit]

This article was subject to a deletion per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Knights Templar and popular culture and a subsequent userfication per Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_March_28#Knights_Templar_and_popular_culture. If moved back to mainspace, it should not be deleted speedily but rather be reexamined at AfD. --Tikiwont (talk) 15:13, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Broken Sword[edit]

Why is there no reference to broken sword on this page? the first game was entirely about the templars. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hugarh (talkcontribs) 18:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC) I have righted that wrong and included the fact that it was the first game to feature them (probably inspiring a lot of others). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.32.228 (talk) 01:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Other Templar cults[edit]

There are a ton, a TON, of Templar cults that take inspiration from or see themselves as continuance of the original Templar Knights, ranging from S. American drug cartel cults, the the roots of the Church of the Solar Temple, to the recent Oslo shooter's affiliation with the "Poor Fellow Soldiers of Christ and the Temple of Solomon." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaronwayneodonahue (talkcontribs) 08:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

PCCTS[edit]

I saw that someone removed the PCCTS section from the page, but I have restored it. There are several pages about the Knights Templar on Wikipedia, but this "popular culture" one is the most appropriate one to cover information about notable groups which claim connection to the medieval order. If the section grows too much, perhaps it could be split off to yet another Templar article. What do other editors think? --Elonka 15:06, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Absent any real connection, such a wondrous section belongs, at best, in its own article if it has sufficient notability. "Popular culture" trivia sections used to inject Breivik into an article about an historic organization do the article no favours at all. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
IIRC, it is covered in the Breivik BLP by the way - so no need to place it in this article as well. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:40, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
The entire article is about things which have no direct connection to the historic Knights Templar. If there's a BLP concern, edit the section, but it doesn't need to be removed entirely. --Elonka 15:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
The section has zero connection to any formal Knights Templar group. It is covered more than adequately in the Breivik BLP. No one else has ever heard of it related to the historic group. [1] calls PCTS a "fictional group." [2] Breivik describes how the fictional group would not allow Muslims to enter Europe. Why need to link a fictional group here? If a group of SCA filk set up a "Knights Templar" group, it also would not be relevant in this article. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Given the magnitude of the event I would say it's now well established in popular culture, even if the group is entirely fictional. Given the lack of additional input I'll go ahead and place it back. --Zero g (talk) 13:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
The article is about an actual organization. Speculation about a fictional organization != relevant to this article about a genuine and real organization. Amazingly enough, Wikipedia has WP:BLP and other policies regarding such "speculation" about a "fictional" organization. Also see WP:COATRACK. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
The vast majority of Templar information these days is fictional. I would say that any truly notable (as defined by adequate sourcing) Templar-related information is appropriate for this article. --Elonka 15:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
I demur - especially for the Breivik COATRACK which has absolutely zero direct connection to the Knights Templar. Cheers. Collect (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

A real organization seems to be a Mexican "Knights Templar" which is a drug cartel gang. Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Sure, let's go ahead and add the Mexican organization. Do they have an article already? Also, just to be clear: ALL modern Templar organizations have zero direct connection to the medieval Knights Templar. The medieval Templars were disbanded in the early 1300s. Their resources were absorbed by the Knights Hospitaller. Any other "Templar" organizations that have sprouted up in the intervening centuries, have entirely fictional connections with the medieval order. --Elonka 17:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
But some are far more tenuous than others - the Masonic groups have a fairly long record now (circa three hundred years) instead of an imaginary 9 years. Cheers. Collect (talk) 17:14, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
And Masonic antecedents appear much older - vide the "Halliwell Mansuscript". BTW, I am not a Mason, so have no ax to grind. Collect (talk) 17:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Heh, just because the claim is three hundred years older, doesn't make it any less fictional.  ;) In any case, my own opinion as to which pseudo-Templar groups should appear on this page, is based entirely on notability. Currently the list is a bit thin, because there are many many Templar-related groups, so I'm in full support of adding more of them. --Elonka 17:50, 31 August 2011 (UTC)