Talk:Kobe

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
          This article is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject Cities (Rated B-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cities, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of cities, towns and various other settlements on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
 Mid  This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.
 
WikiProject Japan / Districts & municipalities / Prefectures (Rated B-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject icon This article is within the scope of the WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 02:50, August 30, 2015 (JST, Heisei 27) (Refresh)
B-Class article B  This article has been rated as B-Class on the project's quality scale.
Checklist icon
 Top  This article has been rated as Top-importance on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This page is supported by the Districts and municipalities task force.
Taskforce icon
This page is supported by the Prefectures task force.
 

PICTURES[edit]

  • The sunset over kobe does not look good at all; it does not have a sunset looking sky and the building are so dark you cannot see them. I do not see the point of having a picture to show how the city looks like, when you can only see the outline of the buildings. What do others think?
  • I think the port of kobe picture with the two large ships should be removed. It is obvious that this is not a picture of the port, but a picture of two large ships with 10% of the picture actually showing the port.
  • The Nakatottei picture is not a good picture at all, at least in my opinion; it should show more of the city and it was likely taken by an amature photographer.

I think these three should be removed. What do others think? ChristopherMannMcKay 13:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

It bears pointing out that we're all amateurs here. Well, most of us anyway. That said, you can find plenty of Wiki-friendly photographs on Flickr, so if you think the photos need replacing, knock yourself out. Ytny 17:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the photo gallery needs to be trimmed. There are too many photos in the gallery, which, given its size and location, dramatically lowers the quality of the article. All but perhaps four or five should be cut. -- Exitmoose 00:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Almost all the photographs of this page seem to be relatively good in me. I cannot understand why you criticize the photographs of this page abruptly. --C-cro 13:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I cut the ones people were complaning about yesterday. All the ones that are left look pretty good to me. -- Exitmoose 01:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Culture[edit]

I do not have any sources, but I know before the Kobe earthquake, Kobe was the largest shipping port in Japan and it was one of the first major shipping ports to trade with westerners a long time ago, so Kobe saw a lot more westernized things before other parts of Japan. Examples include, the first French style bakeries that are now wide spread throughout Kobe more than any other city in Japan and Japan's first golf course; there are other things too, I just can't remember them all, but I know the port influenced the city a lot. A lot of westerners lived in Kobe because of the port and built multiple buildings downtown in European architecture. Fashion has somewhat influenced the city’s culture, as many popular fashion magazines compare Kobe style with Osaka style or Tokyo style; there is even a magazine named Kobe Girls about Kobe fashion—which is typically more classy than neighboring Osaka or Kyoto. -ChristopherMannMcKay 15:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I think in as much as what you discribe is the historical development of the city, these things could go under "History". The article already mentions how the opening of the port in 1868 led to the Westernization of the city. Anything that could flesh out that statement would really improve the article. And in as much as what you describe is visible today, it could go in the "culture" section. Some good ideas. I'd definitely try and find some sources before you add anything though. The article already has so many uncited statements. -- Exitmoose 07:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
I suggest to creat the Kobe-fashion article.It was written about it already "神戸系ファッション","神戸コレクション" at wikipedia japanese ver..Since 19th,there are a few area at Kobe or Hanshin that live rich families,and The conservative culture that is flexible in the fashion created there.Kobe-fashion is one of them,I think.In this year(2007),this was held in Shanghai too.And sometimes,The Kingdom of Thailand invested.So I think this event is supported by not only companies but also other countrie.
Please tell me opinions.
by 219.9.130.62 : 19:20 3 Mar. 2007 (JST)

Meaning of "Kobe"[edit]

While fact checking the article's claim as to the etymology of "Kobe", I came across a much more commonly accepted meaning, which I've edited the article to reflect. In addition to the source in the article, the following sources also assume this meaning:

http://hometown.infocreate.co.jp/en/kinki/kobe/midoko-e.html http://www.ryuusenkaku.jp/navi/200602.html

If a reasonably academic source can be found to back up the "houses of shrine" etymology, we can put the two side by side, but the only one I was able to find was from a rather dubious travel agency site. -- Exitmoose 07:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Assessment[edit]

In order to progress past "B" class, the redlinks in this article need to be taken care of (preferably created). It may also be good to list the stations for each line (or the major stations in any case). ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:37, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Done and done. Should have been done earlier, but I took a Wikibreak. -- Exitmoose 07:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Kitano-cho[edit]

I've created the Kitano-cho article to reduce the number of redlinks, but it's still a stub. There's plenty of information in the references to flesh out the article, but I just don't have the time now. If you're looking for something to do, all the information is there, it just needs to be put in article form. -- Exitmoose 08:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

List of schools in Kobe[edit]

The "no list" tag has been on the education section for a few months now, so I moved the list of schools to its own article at List of schools in Kobe. I'm not so familiar with standard list format, so someone more knowledgable should look over the article and bring it up to standards. Also, the education section is now very small, and could use a bit of fleshing out. -- Exitmoose 00:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Request for Review[edit]

User:Exitmoose asked the community to review this article. Comments can go here.

Lists[edit]

The article has a lot of lists. These can be converted to prose and kept within the article. As an example, the list of wards can be rewritten with a description of each. The sentence can incorporate a fact about the ward, such as its location or size or a prominent landmark located in it. Or it can list a famous person who was born there, or an event that took place in the ward. Likewise, important educational institutions can be mentioned in the section on Education, which currently names only a foreign school (giving it undue weight). Summaries can be helpful ("The city operates xxx public schools."). There's a reference in the article on education in Kobe that can be used for a count. If the information is available, the total number of public-school students would be a valuable addition. Again, writing sentences presenting information about the institutions is preferable to long lists. Fg2 01:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Edited "education" section and expanded the "wards" section. Unfortunately, I can't find information on total number of high school students in Kobe. -- Exitmoose 02:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

International organizations[edit]

I don't see the location of a server for an obscure website being particularly worth note. Also, one of the institutes was merely a division of the Asian Disaster center, which itself was already noted in the research section. This left only one organization, hardly worth its own section. In any case, I think any further organizations should be added under the "Companies and Research" section. Furthermore, we just purged the article of lists, so let's try and avoid repopulating it with more. -- Exitmoose 01:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Automated peer review[edit]

Copied from Wikipedia:Peer review/Automated/October 2007

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question.

  • Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Wikipedia:Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
Done. -- Exitmoose 08:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Done. -- Exitmoose 08:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Done. -- Exitmoose 08:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, APR t 03:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Peer review suggestions[edit]

Copied from Wikipedia:Peer review/Kobe/archive1:

A really good start! I really like the steamboat woodcut, it's just outstanding and very relevant. Now for the comments:
  • The intro seems a little short, and needs to adequately summarize the entire article. Should be written in more fluid prose and give a concise summary capable of standing by itself.
Done. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "...and is a part of the Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto metropolitan sprawl..." probably needs a better choice of words.
Moved to a more appropriate location. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "It was one of the first cities to open for trade with the West, in 1868, and as such it is known as a cosmopolitan port city." Say something about who they were trading with. Was it tea? Ceramics? Something else? BTW I know the Dutch were trading with japan in the mid 17th century, so might want to check facts on whether Kobe was really one of the first cities. And "it was one of the first cities (in Japan you mean?) to open for trade with the west..." try being specific here.
This section refers to the post-sakoku period. Reworded to make more clear. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "...and as such it was known as a cosmopolitan port city." Again, needs rewording to make it flow. It is not entirely clear why a port city would be cosmopolitan. (Should insert something about how outside influences were transmitted by trade routes, and Kobe was city to be exposed to these changes first) and might say what kinds of changes were brought and by whom.
  • "...a number of companies" how many? avoid the vague.
Done. -- Exitmoose 03:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "Kobe's history dates back to the 8th century when..." you mean AD, right?
Fixed. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • The history section needs a better lead and needs to copyedit to make it a coherent whole. Seems too short.
*Keep the woodcut picture, but I don't see why the Weathercock house img is important here. Also try a better caption on the woodcut, pointing out the steamboat as a vessel of trade.
Weathercock image is representative of Kitano area. Sadly can't find any pictures of Kobe earlier than post-Meiji. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "Following the Meiji restoration..." flesh out this section more.
  • "The history of Kobe is closely tied to that of the Ikuta Shrine, and..." you just talked about the history in origins, which didn't mention this, so move up to history.
Fixed. -- Exitmoose 03:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "...It was one of the most costly natural disasters in modern history." better watch out with a statement like this, esp not cited. Isn't every natural disaster nowadays "one of the most costly in history?"
Fixed. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "Kobe has a population of 1,530,295..." in what year?
Fixed. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "...the longest suspension bridge in the world." mention the length
Can't find a way to put it in without interrupting flow. In any case, the article itself is wikilinked if people want more information. -- Exitmoose 03:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "...encapsulated in the Japanese phrase, "If you can't go to Paris, go to Kobe." why not give the Japanese version followed by English translation?
Source is in English. In any case, the Japanese seems unnecessary. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
  • "...residences from the 19th century (see History)." inelegant phrasing.
  • "Most of the movie Sayonara takes place in Kobe." why not "Most of the 1957 romantic drama Sayonara takes place in Kobe." and mention what scenes, what parts of kobe, and how does that choice of locale impact the plot of the movie.
  • Is this the standard map used for Japanese city infoboxes?
Fixed. -- Exitmoose 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Otherwise good content, just needs to be more focused and emphasize more details about what kind of trading went through Kobe historically and how that shaped the city. Emphasize how Kobe being a port city made it more cosmopolitan and mention the impact on the city. The history section probably needs fleshing out too. Otherwise, an interesting article. Jeff Dahl 04:36, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Orixbuffaloeslogo.png[edit]

The image Image:Orixbuffaloeslogo.png is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check

  • That there is a non-free use rationale on the image's description page for the use in this article.
  • That this article is linked to from the image description page.

This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. --01:20, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Founding[edit]

History>Modern Era section, starts off "Kobe was founded on Christmas Halloween"... what? Is this a bad translation, or vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by BryanJones (talkcontribs) 09:37, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

wrong number for 3/17/45 bombing casualties[edit]

Under History/Modern era, the number of dead from the March 17, 1945 American bombing should be 80,841, NOT 8,841. It's off by a factor of 10.

See the "Bombing of Kobe in WWII" entry.

71.37.188.50 (talk) 20:09, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Collage[edit]

Since so many Japanese cities already have a collage, I suggest one for Kobe.--RM (Be my friend) 15:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation of Kobe[edit]

Could someone who knows add the correct pronunciation of "Kobe" in English to the beginning of the article? It would be nice to have it in Japanese as well. I think it's "KO bay" in English but I just heard someone pronounce it to rhyme with "robe." Makes sense but doesn't sound very Japanese. DBlomgren (talk) 20:53, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of Kobe[edit]

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content! Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 14:19, 12 July 2015 (UTC)