Talk:Konrad Adenauer

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Untitled[edit]

Is it not possible to place at least one photo of K.A. somewhere on this site?

Marriage Proposals?[edit]

Excuse me, but is the marriage proposals thing necessary or relevant?

Well, don't know if it is necessary, but it certainly gives a little colour to the article. Was he especially charismatic? Kevyn 08:29, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)
From what I understand, not quite Kennedy-level, but yes. Rhymeless 08:47, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Der Alte?[edit]

Suggestion for re-write: According to Wikipedia:List of encyclopedia topics/Biographies A, he was affectionately known as "der Alte." Might be good to mention that in the article. Kevyn 08:30, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Agreed. From what I could tell from two years in Germany, he was almost universally known as the (the Old Man or the Old One).

Rlquall 22:55, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What is a.o.?[edit]

Sorry, but what does a.o. mean? As in "A.o., he foresaw in very clear detail..." It's not an abbreviation I've seen anywhere else. Grant65 (Talk) 12:17, Sep 5, 2004 (UTC)


Same question. What is ao? If this is not answered, I will delete that sentence in the short future.

Image problems[edit]

When I first saw this article, the image was enormous, and didn't even fit on the screen. I got rid of it, so if anyone wants to try and figure out what was going on and then fix it, that'd be good. SS451 21:08, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Spiegel scandal[edit]

The article says that Adenauer was forced to resign after the Spiegel scandal. What confuses me is that this scandal took place in November 1962, yet Adenauer remained Chancellor until October 1963. How can it be that he remained in office so long?

Attempted murder by Menachem Begin[edit]

Apparently Frankfurter Allgemeine reports on Tuesday 13 June that Begin was behind the attempted assasination of the German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer in 1952. Article in De Standaard (Dutch), article in FAZ (German), Haaretz (English)


Adenauer as Federal Ptesident[edit]

It is written that Adenauer was briefly considered as new German federal president i 1959. I have read somewehere that he turned down that offer, when hearing that Ludwig Erhard was to be his successor as federal chancelor. A mistake, according to Adenauer. I do not know how much correct this is. Perhaps someone can sort it out? Mbakkel2 November 14, 2010 kl. 21:18 (CEST)

Oldest statesman[edit]

Jenkins uses "statesman" in the sense of actively engaged head of government , as opposed to nominal head of state (like Queen Elizabeth) with symbolic roles. He compares Adenauer to Gladstone for example. Webster 3rd dictionary: one actively engaged in conducting the business of a government or in shaping its policies Rjensen (talk) 02:26, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

This article needs to change from an adulation to an encyclopedic article[edit]

It also contains errors. One jumps to the eye in the first line: Adenauer as Chancellor of the FRG had no predecessor. He was prime minister of a completely new state, the Federal Republic of Germany which was created by separating the three occupation zones by "Western" powers from Germany. --L.Willms (talk) 10:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Eulogistic phrases like this

He led his country from the ruins of World War II to a productive and prosperous nation that forged close relations with France, the United Kingdom and the United States.[2] During his years in power West Germany achieved democracy, stability, international respect and economic prosperity

have no place in an encyclopedia, which should just report facts without appraisal. --L.Willms (talk) 10:52, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Much of it appears pretty mainstream from the perspective of the current political establishment. From my own political perspective, Adenauer was one of the good guys at an important time and place in history: Comrades Walter & Erich were not. But you do not need to agree with me. Balance is good, and if there is something that you think is untrue, feel free to correct it. With a source, please. Opinions are important and, with someone of this level, inescapable. But if there is an opinion that needs a source, say so ... better still add the source. If you need to find some more balancing factoids / quotes from people who were not fans ... I'm sure they exist somewhere. (Though some of the opinions provided through the Neues Deutschland prism might run the risk of taking us too far in the other direction...). Success Charles01 (talk) 10:59, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
No, he wasn't "prime minister of a completely new state", that's utter nonsense (and his title wasn't prime minister either). The Federal Republic of Germany considered itself identical with the German state founded with the 1871 Unification of Germany, and this has also been affirmed by the Federal Constitutional Court. Moreover, in international law and international relations, the Federal Republic of Germany is certainly considered at the very least the successor of that state. For this reason it is bound by treaties entered into by Germany before 1945, and at the domestic level there was of course a clear legal continuity. The idea that the Federal Republic of Germany isn't really Germany seems to be mainly an idea found in some small far-right circles. The sentences you complain about reflect mainstream scholarship and are reliably sourced, and accurately summarize the mainstream perception of Adenauer. --Tataral (talk) 12:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
I agree with Charles01 and Tataral. The statements are all verifiable & reflect the consensus of reliable sources. Rjensen (talk) 14:06, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

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