Talk:Kosovo

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Outdated development indicators[edit]

Gini is only given for the year 2005/06, and HDI for 2013. I think these have to be updated. I only found data for 2015, so I did not do the edit myself, maybe somebody can find more up to date data.

Gini (2015): 26.4 [3] HDI (2015): 0.742 [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uniacademic (talkcontribs) 09:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

OTRS edit request[edit]

This edit request comes from OTRS ticket # 2018052810000093, reproduced with permission. Please ping me if you need a reply from me specifically. Primefac (talk) 16:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

"According to international law, Kosovo's current official status is "partially recognized sovereign state" and not "partially recognized state and disputed territory" because the International Court of Justice found that Kosovo's declaration of independence did not violate international law, therefore Kosovo is not subject to a territorial dispute as there is no occupying power and Kosovo has taken a full control to its sovereignty (integrating its north) since Brussels Agreement (2013). Kosovo is disputed only by Serbia – not the rest of the world – therefore Serbia's sole position cannot form the legal status of another sovereign country. Such usage is a direct violation of the international law and it does also constitute a violation of peremptory norm (and/or jus cogens). While the disagreement between Kosovo and Serbia should be mentioned in the article, it can not be used as a reference point to define its legal status recognized by half of the world. Those purposely incorrect edits made by Serbian users must be removed because the current version of Kosovo's official status is legally incorrect, conflicting, confusing, and misleading. Quest for countries status in terms of sources should not be misdirected!"
— Gerwig - Ph.D. Comparative and International Law / EU

Kosovo is disputed only by Serbia – not the rest of the world - This is an obvious lie. There are currently 82 UN member states that consider Kosovo part of Serbia. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
@Primefac: Thanks for bringing the edit request here. As far as I can see from this talk page's history, the first sentence of this article has been a source of tension and discussions between editors. The current version is due to community consensus, and a change would need new discussions. The person who made the request, is a Wiki editor or only a reader? @Vanjagenije: Calm down, it is an ordinary edit request. No need for using terms like "obvious lie" directed to a person who probably does not know how Wikipedia works. In particular admins such as yourself should be neutral, though sometimes you seem to lose some of your self-control when Kosovo is concerned. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
No, actually, users (including admins) do not need to be neutral. Articles need to be neutral. Admins are entitled to their own opinion, like all other persons. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:42, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Admins should choose other words than "Obvious lie" directed to a person who probably does not know how Wikipedia works, and who might just want to give some little contribution to this article. The person who made the edit request might be considering creating an account and watching how their edit request is labeled as "obvious lie" by an admin might dishearten them from editing. Admins should also not change Kosovo articles with no consensus as you have done in the past. Anyway, the behaviour of editors is not the main focus of this talk page. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:51, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
Gerwig is unable to edit Wikipedia due to what I personally feel is a very odd work contract, hence the copy/paste. Primefac (talk) 11:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
@Primefac, much appreciated for placing here an interesting viewpoint by Gerwig based on their knowledge of international law. I agree with @Ktrimi that discussion and consensus would be needed for a change, and makes good points on behavior.Resnjari (talk) 12:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Somewhat off-topic discussion of the requester not the request
I agree with Vanja. Moreover, who is this "Gerwig, PhD"? I can't find any mention of her name online, let alone a published work attributed to her. Methinks it's a pseudonym. 23 editor (talk) 16:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
That's one of reasons why where having a discussion. Although 23 editor you do have a point, i did a google search on the net (which shed little) and came to the same conclusion, who is Gerwig PhD ? If any changes of the sort proposed by Gerwig are to be considered some referral to academia(sources?) would be good to go on. Otherwise its just an exercise of ???? and time wasting.Resnjari (talk) 17:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Based on the semi-hysterical tone of the message and the plethora of grammatical errors contained within, my guess is the person who wrote it does not carry a PhD, at least not from an accredited Western post-secondary institution. Just a hunch. I could be wrong. I would like more info from Primefac before making any further statements regarding Mme. Gerwig. 23 editor (talk) 17:24, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Agreed.Resnjari (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
I am going to read somewhat between the lines on their request, and the way they signed their emails, that they do not have a PhD but instead are working towards one. Based on their university affiliation I would hazard to say there's some ESL in there as well. However, I do not think the credentials of the individual making the request should necessarily impact the specifics of the request. Does it necessarily matter if someone has a PhD or are just a casual reader to be concerned that Wikipedia is accurate? I'm not necessarily advocating for this change to be made, more that we debate the request rather than the one making it. Primefac (talk) 17:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
OK, thanks for clarifying. 23 editor (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Thanks @Primefac.Resnjari (talk) 19:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The identity of the person who made the edit request attracted my attention as well, however, as @Primefac: very correctly said, is does not matter who the person is. The case of Kosovo is similar to almost the same with that of Macedonia. The status of relations between Kosovo and Serbia soon will change, and since that change is expected to happen within one or two years, it would be better for now to keep the current version of the article's first sentece, as an outcome of community concensus. When the right time comes, the first sentence of course will be changed. Ktrimi991 (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
Yep, agreed.Resnjari (talk) 19:26, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
The correspondent write that "Kosovo has taken a full control to its sovereignty (integrating its north) since Brussels Agreement (2013)", but the Brussels Agreement has apparently not yet been implemented. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:35, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
Macedonia is incongruous where Kosovo is concerned. Different nature to dispute. --Coldtrack (talk) 18:33, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Fix paragraph if you know the references[edit]

There are conflicting/overlapping phrases about serbians and non-albanians leaving Kosovo after yugoslavs withdrew. References are also duplicated/averlapped. Please edit if you know the references.

"By June, Milošević agreed to a foreign military presence in Kosovo and the withdrawal of his troops. After the Yugoslav Army withdrew, over half of Kosovo's Serbs and other non-Albanians flew or were expelled and many of the remaining civilians were subjected to abuse.[125][125][126][127][128][129] During the Kosovo War, over 90,000 Serbian and other non-Albanian refugees fled the war-torn province. In the days after the Yugoslav Army withdrew, over 80,000 (almost half of 200,000 estimated to live in Kosovo) Serb and other non-Albanians civilians were expelled from Kosovo and many of the remaining civilians were victims of abuse.[130][131][132][133][129]"

131.161.152.211 (talk) 21:03, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

What exactly should be edited? Vanjagenije (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 August 2018[edit]

Please edit the end of the first paragraph - as translated from the same article in serbian language

Instead of

     ...is a partially recognised state[13][14] and disputed territory[15][16] in Southeastern Europe that declared independence from Serbia in February 2008.

Here is a translation

    The state is one-sidedly proclaimed as independed, which is contrary to the constitution of Serbia.

Also, there are some information missing (as translated from the same article in serbian)

    According to the reports of international organizations, the rule of law on Kosovo is not in a good state, and the cases of human trafficking, drugs smuggling (up to 40% of Europe's heroine supplies) and human organs trafficking (during the war of imprisoned Serbs and after war of those who sold them) are present. 178.222.132.214 (talk) 22:05, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Not done This edit request does not conform to WP:NPOV, goes against consensus, and is, furthermore, ungrammatical. Île flottante (talk) 22:24, 18 August 2018 (UTC)