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Proposal to open WikiProject Kuala Lumpur[edit]

Hello, all Wikipedian. I am propose to open a WikiProject for Kuala Lumpur in order to improve the article of Kuala Lumpur including create portal. You can support it by visit Proposal to open WikiProject Kuala Lumpur. Cheong Kok Chun (talk) 01:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Lead section[edit]

I think some things should be removed from the Lead section:

  • Area size of Klang Valley - not so important, unsourced (probably never been officially defined)
  • Fastest growing metropolitan region in the country - I think Malaysia only have one metropolitan region, so what the point of saying this.
  • One of the fastest growing metropolitan area in the world - Unsourced, not sure how to measure this.

I also think a brief history about KL should be included (tin mining, etc). Any other comments on what should be included or excluded in the Lead? kawaputratorque 10:50, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, to tell you the truth, there are other metropolitan areas in Malaysia, such as Singapore-Johor Bahru, Penang, Ipoh, Subang Jaya and so on (refer to Malaysia: metropolitan areas). OK, fine, the latter is actually just a conurbation. Unfortunately, the metropolitan areas mentioned above are quite insignificant in comparison to the Klang Valley. Nevertheless, I personally think the sentence "It is the fastest growing metropolitan region in the country" should not be omitted, as it is taken from a reliable source, that is The Star.
We still need a proper consensus, so what do you think? Should we retain the sentence or omit it? Acs4b T C U 05:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
I dont know man. I still think we should omit it. An alternative reason is that KL is already, by far, the largest metropolitan region in the country, so, mentioning that it is the fastest growing metro seems to be not notable/important, although the statement came from a reliable source. Maybe lets first hear what others have to say. kawaputratorque 07:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with kawaputra. I think being the biggest is more notable than the fastest growing metropolitan area. Wai Hong (talk) 09:16, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

GA review[edit]

Hello, I will be reviewing this article for its GA candidancy. The good news is that so far this article passes the quick fail criteria, so a full review is forthcoming. Thanks, and good luck! FamicomJL (talk) 06:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Passed![edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
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Congratulations! This article totally passes, no complaints at all for me! This might even be Featured Article ready. Good work by everyone! FamicomJL (talk) 21:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks taking the time to review it. Im sure we are all very pleased with this result. :D kawaputratorque 11:10, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Grammar and sentence structure[edit]

Congratulations on the Good Article status. However, there remain several sentences with incorrect grammar, with more sentences exhibiting awkward phrasing. I will correct what I have found, as my schedule and editing capabilities permit. Regardless, I do urge the primary editor(s) to request a review of the article from an experienced copyeditor of their choice, or from the League of Copyeditors. The issue detracts from the reading experience of an otherwise excellent article, but detailed copyediting sessions should clear up the problem. -- Michael Devore (talk) 23:32, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

A request has been made to the LOCE. Thanks for the useful comments. kawaputratorque 06:57, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
The article copy has significantly improved in the past few weeks since my comment. Good work. -- Michael Devore (talk) 23:41, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

damansara[edit]

I found this statement inaccurate:-

Damansara area in the north-west of Kuala Lumpur...


Damansara is not in KL. It is in the Petaling district of SelangorSyedhusni (talk) 06:53, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Damansara Utama, D'sara Jaya, Bandar Sri D'sara, etc are part of Petaling district Selangor. So the sentence perhaps should be rewritten, to indicate that One U, Ikea, are not in KL, but within Greater KL in S'gor. However, just to note, some parts of D'sara are actually in KL, eg: Pusat Bandar D'sara, D'sara Heights, Sri Hartamas, etc. kawaputratorque 05:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Map[edit]

Does anyone have a more detailed map of KL?Wai Hong (talk) 09:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

First-hand info[edit]

I think that this whole Kuala lumpur section just reads like it has been done by somebody of the city's public relation department. Whenever critical first-hand information is included, it is just deleted within hours. I think Wikipedia should be more than just city hall PR. I assume the city hall of Kuala Lumpur has assigned an official to keep an eye on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.93.152.18 (talk) 12:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

First hand info is not normally reliable, and most of the time biased. U need to back up such facts or opinions with reliable sources. For e.g. there was once survey saying KL taxis are one of the worst in the world. Get that source or link, and add it to the article. Another e.g X Magazine claims KL to be one of the dirtiest cities in Asia. U can add this to the article provided X magazine is a reliable source. See: WP:RS, WP:V, WP:OR, WP:NPOV, WP:WEASEL, WP:NOT, etc. Cheers. ќמшמφטтгמtorque 04:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Demographics[edit]

In the third paragraph of this section, it is stated that many people from China came to Kuala Lumpur in the late 18th century. I don't know much about KL, but since the city is mentioned as originating in the 1850s, shouldn't it be changed into "late 19th century" or "late 1800s"?

I'll leave specialists think over it and edit the section if needed. Patch051 (talk) 15:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Gallery[edit]

The "Cityscape Gallery" is way too big, and the whole section is rather dubious — there's already a section (and separate article) on architecture in Kuala Lumpur. Time to nuke the whole thing? Jpatokal (talk) 14:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Sure go ahead. I think the gallery should be removed if we want this article to maintain its GA status. ќמшמφטтгמtorque 08:22, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

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Resolved - image was removed from {{Commonwealth Games Host Cities}}. Franamax (talk) 17:32, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Spelling; orthography[edit]

What would the Malay pronunciation (following Malay phonology) of the name of the city be, as spelled in modern Bahasa Malay(si)a orthography? Kuala Lumpu? – Kaihsu (talk) 00:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Flag[edit]

The flag of Kuala Lumpur was the flag of the territory until somewhere in 2006-2007 when it was changed to a new one. Someone please kindly update the flag. Thanks Kangxi Emperor 康熙帝 (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Language spoken by Malaysian Indians[edit]

Ref: [1]

I wonder who put it the statement that Malaysian Indians speak Pakistani languages of Urdu and Pashto. It's total rubbish put in by some Pro-Pakistani fanatics. Malaysian Indians are almost entirely of South Indian descent, mainly Tamil, but also a sizeble Malayalam and Telegu community. There are also a segment of Punjabis (mostly Sikhs) who speak Punjabi. I did a thorough Google search anyhow. Could that person who says Malaysian Indians speak Pakistani languages please cite a reliable source? And please, Malaysian Indians don't include those Pakistani temporary migrant workers. KLeaglz (talk) 14:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Name Heading[edit]

Hello everybody, I recently noticed that many Malaysian states and cities on Wikipedia have the heading of the city/state name (at the top, in the box on the right) written in Chinese, Tamil & Jawi script. I'm not sure if there's a rule to this but isn't the name of the place in Wikipedia, for the sake of uniformity, supposed to be only in English and where applicable, the name in the official or recognized language of the place? In this case, it should only be known as Kuala Lumpur since Malay and English designate the capital city with the same name, and only in the Latin script (since Malay written in the Latin script is recognized as the official language (& script) in the Constitution). Anyone could enlighten me on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.85.159.145 (talk) 23:35, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Human development index[edit]

Hi. Where did the HDI number come from? As far as I know, the UN does not give out HDI for individual state within a country. __earth (Talk) 13:28, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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Balance?[edit]

Reading this, you'd think there was no crime in Kuala Lumpur, no poverty, no social unrest or political disputes... nothing negative at all, really, except a very brief mention of controversy related to Anwar Ibrahim. It's not clear to me that this article has earned its GA with such a one-sided picture of the city. Nathan T 13:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Kapitan Yap Ah Loy[edit]

I feel kind of weird, funny and tingling all over my body to see VERY BIG PICTURE of Kapitan Yap Ah Loy right at the beginning of the article. Is that even NECESSARY??? The picture looks scary to me... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.171.164.226 (talk) 10:42, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Pornographic photo on this page[edit]

Hi, Wikipedia.

My username is NiklawskiMSTM and I'm on my basement computer right now and I didn't feel like logging in. Anyways, I was browsing on my phone and I decided that I'd put in the cities of all my Internet friends into my World Clock app on my phone. One of those cities as Kuala Lumpur. I wanted to find out its time zone, so I looked it up on the Wikipedia app, and much to my dismay, I found a photo that I honestly don't think has anything to do with this city:

There was (refer to the update down below to learn why I said "was") a human female vagina that appeared as if someone had gone onto a porn site and found a video under the "cremapie" category and had taken a screenshot of it and uploaded it and put it in this page.

I am pretty sure it's actually inside the Infobox template, following the end symbols that end the infobox. I'm going to log in, find out why there is a female vagina with ejaculate in it and remove it.

UPDATE: Prior to myself posting this section in the Talk page of it, I checked the page once more and it appears that it has been removed.

Thanks, NiklawskiMSTM

(I'm going to log in to my account and create a new subsection to this section just to validate my statement that I am actually NiklawskiMSTM)

Validating the claim that the above section was posted by myself[edit]

This isn't exactly necessary, but this is just me validating my claim that this section was, in fact, posted by myself.

I don't have to do this, but I will: I'm going to look at the history, find one of the revisions that had the photograph, and find out what template, if any, it was in and then find the username (or IP address) of those responsible.

NiklawskiMSTM traveled from the fourth dimension to deliver this text to you. Please thank him on his talk page. 19:50, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Climate data[edit]

The April average high temperature is obviously not -9.1°C (15.6°F). Could anybody be so kind to find the correct data? Podgorec (talk) 06:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Yap Ah Loy[edit]

I am sure Yap Ah Loy is an important figure in the history of Kuala Lumpur, but there seems to be an excessive emphasis about his contribution to the development of the city that is not supported by sources. For example a source here attributes its rapid growth to Sir Frank Swettenham, and here it says Swettenham was "instrumental in the development of the town". The rapid growth in population is said to be due to the construction of the Klang-KL railway line here (initiated by Swettenham), and that railway line was only finished after Yap's death. Claiming that he is the "founder of modern Kuala Lumpur" just doesn't sound right. Hzh (talk) 14:57, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I will rewrite the History section within the next week or so to give it more balance, at the moment it seems like a POV is being pushed. In the meantime, any suggestion would be welcomed. Hzh (talk) 12:45, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

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Global and Regional Rankings[edit]

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I had started a sub-heading in "Global And Regional Rankings", which was opposed by User:Chipmunkdavis and User:Herman Jaka as well as by several anonymous users

See arguments for and against on - Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Controversial_content_added_by_User:Escravoes

I would welcome additional feedbacks on the city's rankings (well-sourced and verifiable additions) into the section. Thanks.Escravoes (talk) 04:37, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

  • If all those users are against you, I'd say the consensus is against you. This I presume is the content in question. I too question why the express desire to put a random assortment of rankings at the top of an article about a country separate from the rest of the page, when the rankings discuss a number of different categories, all of which is discussed through the article and throughout other articles. If you wanted to put in individual points into the various parts where it is relevant, fine but I have no zero idea why this city article would be unique in having a variety of "rankings" up top. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 01:30, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
    • I originally reverted the IP that removed this content, however after reading the talk page here and reviewing the material it appears consensus does NOT support the inclusion of this material. RickinBaltimore (talk) 12:58, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
    • The data (all verifiable from sites like CNN, Financial Times UK, Huffington Post) are credible and quoted from reliable sources. The rankings supported both good rankings and bad rankings of a city (NPOV issues are well-addressed in the "rankings" article, both for and contra.)Consensus#No_consensus Escravoes (talk) 13:07, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Although all the websites are credible. That doesn't meant the need to put a huge rankings for every city articles. If this how Wikipedia runs, I don't know what to say either than this projects are totally doomed. 128.90.59.252 (talk) 13:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for agreeing with me that all my sources are credible. Your issues however is that you did not like the article. WP:I just don't like it Also your argument that one "doesn't meant the need to put a huge rankings for every city articles" is false as the article is neither "huge" nor "for every city" and Wiki is robust enough to avoid being "totally doomed"Escravoes (talk) 13:18, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Not because I don't like it, but try to see other city articles in this encyclopedia. Try to open your eyes widely. Did you find any city articles full with rankings???? Just recently watching your user talk, you just been blocked for LIBELOUS content. Is this you just want to do in this encyclopedia?? Your contribution are full of nonsense. 128.90.59.252 (talk) 13:25, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
If you had noticed, several of those rankings were already in "Kuala Lumpur" even before my article was published. That an article is present or absent in another article is NOT relevant for its inclusion or non-inclusion into another article. I am also glad that you did NOT said I inserted anything LIBELOUS in Kuala Lumpur but sourced from the Financial Times UK, Huffington Post, CNN, Trip Advisor, which has not been accused of being LIBELOUS in their rankings of Kuala Lumpur as among the world's most dangerous city or otherwise. You had also failed to specify even a single point in my article "which is full of nonsense" or LIBELOUS in ranking of Kuala Lumpur as among the world's most dangerous city by very credible sources, which you yourself did NOT disputed either their reliability or their libelous content! Escravoes (talk) 13:51, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
You are sick because you really did not understand what I meant. Did I say you make libelous content in Kuala Lumpur???? Did you really read the block notice on which article that become the reason for your block. Hmmm, interesting, you just admitting that you are the one who wrote the article rankings. Are you a journalist? So, that's why you really want to pressing the content to be added in the article because you wrote it? So, this can be include on ownership too. 128.90.59.150 (talk) 14:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
The ranking articles are sourced from (again) CNN, Trip Advisor, Financial Times UK, Huffington Post, where they are sourced and cited. Yet somehow, you viciously stated that I claimed ownership over the article! Did anybody sued any of the sources I quoted for libel? The article, for which I was blocked is NOT on the rankings on Kuala Lumpur, but on a the welfare state of crocodiles in a farm in Thailand! My edit on Kuala Lumpur however, by your own admission, is not libelous. Escravoes (talk) 14:15, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
No need to say from which news the rankings sourced from. Everyone are not to be fool enough to understand that. For sure I know you've been blocked because of libelous addition on the Thai article. Since when did I say your edit in Kuala Lumpur are LIBELOUS???? The only thing I said is your content in Kuala Lumpur are identified as SPAM and NOT-NEUTRAL at all. 128.90.59.150 (talk) 14:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for agreeing that my article on the Thai crocodile farm, for which I was blocked, was NOT related to my edit on Kuala Lumpur. Thanks also for saying that I did not published anything libelous on Kuala Lumpur, but facts verifiable directly to major news media (CNN, Financial Times UK) and credible websites (Trip Advisor, major Malaysian newspapers) of my edit, which you said was "full of nonsense." Now however you claimed that my contributions had had been identified as SPAM and NOT-NEUTRAL! I asked - name me one from my sources which is a spam or which is non-neutral POV. Escravoes (talk) 14:34, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
I did not need to deal anything with you nor agree with anything you said. Just accept the CONSENSUS and move on! Talking with someone who have the lack of understanding is definitely a waste of time. 128.90.59.150 (talk) 14:42, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Founder of Kuala Lumpur[edit]

It seems that some people want to put forward Sutan Puasa as the founder of Kuala Lumpur or that he was responsible for the early development of the town. From the sources I read, the evidence is poor, instead what we get is a lot of speculations cobbled together with some dubious assertions. I think we should use more reliable historians who are better at sifting through historical evidence instead of those who want to push an view point. Also describing early Minangkabau traders in Kuala Lumpur as "influential tycoons" is just silly hyperbole. Hzh (talk) 15:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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