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Kujawsko-Pomorskie Province or Voivodeship. There is no such word as "Kuyavian". Can somebody please correct the main article? -- User -- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:30, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
Kuiavian-197 hits on internet. What kind of absurdity is this ?
--Molobo 18:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I do not know exactly what is in question (are you able to illuminate your concerns further?), but I guess that obscure Polish provinces may hit only a low number of hits. Personally I know Kuiavia almost only because it is present in royal genealogies, the principality that belonged to the family of certain later Polish kings, whose daughters married to German aristocracy. Does this help? Henq 18:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Look this is the main administrativ region of Poland. It was changed from name used in CIA World Factbook (that gives exactly 1,070,000 hits outside of specific Polish pages ) to a name that gives 197 hits. I am just really shocked by the changes the person responsible is making. --Molobo 18:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Look upon those words and laugh. Laugh out loud. It's utterly pathetic.
Kujawsko-pomorskie województwo in English is Kujawsko-Pomorskie province.
Is 'Bedfordshire' translated into Polish as 'hrabstwo łóżkowo-bródnieńskie?' It is not. So KILL this pathetic lingustic stwór! PLEASE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:42, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
THANK YOU for Kujawy-Pomerania Province. There is no one perfect rendering of these names, but this is the best. (Pomerania is a well-recognized English geographical term.) The word 'voivodship' is pompous and despicable because it is not really a translation (which in Polish also means an 'explanation'!), but an anglicization of an otherwise obscure foreign word. That is, to know what a 'voivodship' is, you first have to know what a voivod is, and hence a wojewoda [warlord!], and a województwo, and in short you would already know Polish and not need a translation! If someone who does not speak Polish needs to know what a województwo is, you should tell them it is a province. Then they will understand. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 09:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
I moved the page back
There was really no reason for that particular name change. --Molobo 20:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I wonder why someone wrote województwo kujawsko-pomorskie or simply Kujawsko-Pomorskie. The thing that bothers me is using lower case letters after the word województwo, and using capital letters when the word is not present. I think that this is a mistake, but am not sure. Could someone shed some light on this?
- Well, I guess I must have written it. I believe the correct usage in Polish is to use small letters; however, when foreign place names are borrowed wholesale into English, they tend to be capitalized the English way, which I think would normally include capitals at the start and after hyphens. This was my reasoning, anyway - if usage can be shown to be different in practice then I have no objection to the sentence being changed (and similarly in all the other voivodeship articles). In fact the names of voivodeships are translated (or not) into English in a multitude of forms, so it would be unrealistic to expect to find all possible ones listed in the article.--Kotniski (talk) 20:48, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
- Since we can easily distinguish english Kuyavian-Pomeranian from polish kujawsko-pomorskie i think we should write latter Polish way - adjectives (created from nouns) are always written using small letters (except when at the beginning of a sentence or such), and kujawsko-pomorskie is an adjective.
- Regards, Kaowiec (talk) 10:59, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- OK but the sentence in the article is (mainly) about how the name of the voivodeship might be rendered in English. People writing in English would not necessarily follow foreign (e.g. Polish) rules for capitalization. Certainly I think the initial K would always be capitalized if Kujawsko-P/pomorskie were used alone as the name of this region. Use of P/p after the hyphen might vary, but to me the capital looks more normal.--Kotniski (talk) 11:27, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- So people using English rules of capitalization would write województwo Kujawsko-Pomorskie wouldn't they?
- Kaowiec (talk) 12:05, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe, sometimes. There are many possibilities - I just wanted to give a couple of what I thought were the most likely English forms, while stating the correct Polish name on the way. Feel free to change it based on actual usage, if you have the sources.--Kotniski (talk) 12:37, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
- Try putting it in Gmina Mrocza (a much smaller district) instead. This voivodeship probably contains thousands of villages, so it would be inappropriate to mention any particular one on this page.--Kotniski (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
"History of Kuyavia" and "History of Royal Prussia"
I removed these two sections because this article is about the present-day voivodeship, and not the historical/ethnographic/geographical regions. Both sections were copied verbatim from Kuyavia and Royal Prussia, and no new information was added. I checked line by line. It's a simple reduplication of a large block of material.
The present-day voivodeship is purely an administrative entity that was created ex nihilo in 1999, and as such has no history before then. Its name and boundaries were arbitrarily chosen, and any connection to the historical regions is incidental and trivial. Neither is of any real significance as far as this article is concerned, and both are already mentioned in the text in more than abundant detail.
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