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What is up with this pages name? Is (turkish) included to signify that this group is active in Turkey? If so the brackets should come after the name.--nixie 00:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Hizbullah's within Turkey
There is another Hizbullah operating in the Kurdish areas of the Turkish Republic. Are there two articles on the same group? If not some one with the knowledge should clarify the relations between the two groups. Bertilvidet 10:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
The article states "Kurdish Hizballah or Turkish Hizballah has no official organic ties with either the Lebanon-based Islamist group also named Hizballah or its offshoots throughout the Middle East. Notwithstanding a few similarities in terms of ideology, methods and goals, they are essentially very distinct terrorist groups."
and then goes on with a whole load of stuf about Lebanese Hezbollah.
Surely if the first statement is true the rest is irrelevant? AndrewRT 20:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
thies Hizbullah is not Turkish-Kurdish, thies is Kurdish islamic Group
I know that I am going on to some sensitive ground here, but most of the refs refer to this group as "Turkish Hezbullah".. Shouldn't we refrain from interpreting the sources? Besides, to my personal knowledge, this group incorporates many Turkish elements, maybe in a majority at the moment. I might be wrong, but I think that the most common name for this group in English is "Turkish Hezbollah" and not "Kurdish Hezbollah"..
Here are the google results:
- "Kurdish Hezbollah" - wikipedia : 533 hits 
- (Some of the hits are from Wikipedia redirects like answers.com)
- "Turkish Hezbollah" - wikipedia : 10,500 hits 
I don't want anyone get hyped over this, but I will be moving the page per the results above. It is not even clear if these people refer to themselves as "Kurdish Hezbollah" (if they had, then there would be a different argument). However, as things currently stand, the overwhelming Google search points us towards the neccessity of the move. Cheers! Baristarim 03:32, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- On second thought, "Hezbollah (Turkey)" could also be used.. Will have to think about it.. Baristarim 03:40, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- In fact, Hezbollah (Turkey) might be better. Any comments? If there are no objections eventually I will move it in a couple of days. Baristarim 04:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I guess that nobody has objected after 3 months :) I will do the move...
Look at the first few words on this, it is called Hizbullahî Kurdî, or the Kurdish hezbollah, the Google hits mentioned are just the result of amateur reference to this hezbollah in contrast to the more well know Hezbollah in Palestine/Syria/Lebanon
the Reason for this is that most terroristic activity by this hezbollah has been committed in Turkey and against Turkish government, but this movement does not identify itself as Turkish but, well of course Kurdish, that's the point of this whole movement, why harm Turkey, if you think you are a stakeholder in the future of Turkey? They only look forward to a Kurdish future in the region,
Think about it.. I think it should be in Kurdish Hezbollah
- Users must understand that this group is a mix of Turks and Kurds as sourced on the article and it is not a major group in Turkey. The Turkish Hezbollah (some Turkish citizens who want a Islamist country) in Turkey which in parallel have some similar aims with this group but more with the MHP. There can be misunderstanding that can arose because of this title. But calling it Kurdish Hezbullah just because it is majority Kurds is not correct, we don't even know if they identify themselfs as Kurdish.
- Özgūr Talk Hist 11:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hizbullahî Kurdî i think refers to a separate Hezbollah mostly active from the Kurdish-inhabited areas, further research may show two different Hezbollahs in Turkey, one Kurdish and the other primarily Turkish, but I am not an authority on this
- —-— .:Seth Nimbosa:. (talk • contribs) 10:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
misleading statements and quotes
Sorry, but I suppose that the article needs a thorough rewrite. For a start I would recommend to read the backgrounder of Human Rights Watch What is Turkey's Hizbullah? published on 16 January 2000. Statements that need correction include:
- The group... is believed and documented by several human rights activists that the group was actually founded by Veli Küçük of the Turkish Gendarmerie to target the PKK and its sympathizers.
- The quote does not confirm this allegation. Veli Kücük is being accused of having founded JITEM
- ...though recently they have targeted both the PKK and the Turkish government
- The quoted text talks about backfire, which is more likely to mean ran out of control. The quote is from 2003 so that recently has no meaning in 2009. In addition, Hezbollah targeted mainly civilians sympathetic to the course of the PKK.
- ... conducting low-level bombings against liquor stores, bordellos, and other establishments that the organization considered "anti-Islamic."
- No quote given for this assumption that is not correct, either. To the end of their violent actions Hezbollah targeted people drinking alcohol or women wearing mini shirts etc. (quoted according to a verdict in one of the trials; see http://www.milliyet.com.tr/2007/03/23/guncel/gun02.html)
This is just the beginning of a longer list for a cleanup. My question: does anyone first want to discuss these items or should I go ahead with the rewrite? Sc.helm (talk) 10:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
there a no kurdish hizbollah
The name should be chosen according to English sources. According to consensus reached here before, in these sources Turkish Hezbollah is the most popular one. If it is not, try WP:RM. Kavas (talk) 17:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
When I utilized the search box at google.com I have found 1.980 results for Hizbullah (Turkey), 20800 results for "Turkish Hezbollah " and 6670 results for ""Turkish Hizbullah". Kavas (talk) 19:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- "Turkish Hezbollah" -Llc 220 results
- "Kurdish Hezbollah" -Llc 96 results
- "Turkish Hezbullah" -Llc 130 results
- "Kurdish Hizbullah" -Llc 52 results
- + Hizbullah + Turkey -Turkish-Hezbollah 2,490 results, but there is probability this results could includes other Hizbullahs/Hezbollahs. Takabeg (talk) 01:13, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hizbullah "in Turkey" -Hezbollah 991 results (minimum) 347
- Hezbollah "in Turkey" -Hizbullah 1,060 results (minimum) 387
The name Turkish Hezbollah may come up most on google, but first of all it's POV, secondly and most importantly, it is simply incorrect because this organisation is not called "The Turkish Hezbollah," their name is Hizbullah. And if anything they are the Kurdish Hezbollah.Kermanshahi (talk) 21:27, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Hizbullah, not Hizbollah
The name in Turkish and Kurdish is Hizbullah, never Hezbollah neither other similar versions. Unless this is very specifically a (mistaken) English standard (and can be sourced) there is absolutely no reason to change the I for E. Turkish and Kurdish are both written with Latin alphabet, so no transcription alternatives are allowed, as there is no transcription (as opposed to the case of Lebanese Hiz/Hez/bu/bo/llah). If nobody objects with good reasons, I'll do the changes.Ilyacadiz (talk) 08:16, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Requested move 18 June 2014
Requested move 26 December 2015
The official name of the organisation is Hizbullah. It mentioned it in its manifesti that it released in 2012: http://www.dogruhaber.com.tr/haber/21776-hizbullah-cemaatinin-manifestosu-yayinlandi/
Hizbullah's members are mostly Kurds and it operates mostly in Kurdish areas so to call it Turkish Hizbullah is misleading, the name should be changed to "Kurdish Hizbullah" or "Hizbullah in Turkey"
Many Turkish and Kurdish sources mentioned that Hzbullah is a majority Kurdish organisation with influence in mostly Kurdish populated areas: Source 1: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/tr/originals/2015/06/turkey-syria-kurds-turkish-hezbollah-reconcile-isis-pkk.html
And Hizbullah itself says that it want to be part of the solution for the Kurdish issue seeing itself as important part of the Kurdish side and dont accepts the PKK as representatives of the Kurdish people: Source 1: https://huseynisevda.biz/viewpage.php?page_id=87
The founders Hüseyin Velioğlu and İsa Altsoy and the current leader Edip Gümüs are both Kurds. And Oxford Islamic Studies calls it "Kurdish Hizbullah": http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/article/opr/t236/e0317
So Hizbullahs members are mostly Kurds, the organisation sees itself as representative of Kurdish people and Turkish sources also mention that Hizbullah is mostly active in Kurdish areas, so the Name should be changed.--Alan Genco (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2016 (UTC)