Talk:Kushan Empire

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Too many images?[edit]

On my browser the article is becoming very hard to read because of the large number of images, some of which crown out all text and overlap one another. Do we really need so many images? If the answer is yes, would there be any objection to at least reducing the size of them to thumbnails so that the text can be read in a continuous flow? I will make a couple of adjustmetns to correct rendering problems that I see on my display. Since browsers and screen resolutions vary, what you see when you view the page may differ from what I see. I did the upper part of the article, and now I can actually read the text in a continuous flow. Unless there is objection I would like to do the rest of the article, or have someone else give a try. Is there any way the number of images can be cut? Buddhipriya 05:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Buddhipriya. Thanks for all the great work on the article. I am not so enthousiastic though about the minuscule 100px images and the caption going down in long columns... any compromise size possible? PHG 05:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Certainly we can experiment. If you want larger images, you need to consider not putting multiple images into the same section. One image per section may be enough. Some of these images may be redundant, or can be done in gallery formats as is done with some of them now. Some of the captions are too long, in my opinion. Getting multiple viewers to give feedback would help, because rendering issues vary on different systems. If the article is going to have so many images another idea would be to invite one of the WikiFairies to work just on layout issues. For articles that are art-intensive, moving the article toward Featured status needs to include a review of the art. My main issue is just that I could not even read the text in a continuous flow. Are you open to trying to recruit one of the Fairies? Buddhipriya 06:08, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Sure, let's go for the fairies. This does feel like we are working towards an FA... although I think a lot of material would still have to be added to get there. Regards. PHG 06:28, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Regarding the fairies, they vary a lot in their artistic style. Do you want to invite one? You may want to look over their portfolios or just look at their own user pages to see if you like any of them. We could also just compile a list of possible nominees. Getting the right one may take some effort. Regarding the content issues, I have not even begun to do content entry except for one test edit (which so far has not been reverted). My first goal was to figure out what is going on here and get the critical apparatus for notes in place. My overall sense is that the article has a lot of good material but that it would be good to add less new material and get some references in place on some of the old material. Buddhipriya 06:42, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Active Wikifairy list (here are some that show active edit histories currently and which may be candidates (let's identify several):

Buddhipriya 06:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

No one has commented on this, so I will try asking one of them to simply look at the page and comment on it. We may or may not be able to attract help, but it is worth a try to get independent opinion. And by all means go ahead and experiment by changing or reverting changes I have made if they have created particular problems on your screen. Currently I prefer the changes to the way it was before, as now I can read the text. But gradual experimentation is certainly needed. Buddhipriya 04:03, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Fairydust from Nihonjoe[edit]

The first thing I did was make the notes smaller using the {{reflist}} template. At first glance, I'd say it might be good to make an article listing coins used by the empire. There's got to be 30+ coin images in this article, and removing those (or all but a couple) would go a long way to cleaning up this article. As for the other images, it would be good to have those familiar with this topic to rank which images they think are the most important. In a way, this article is lucky to have this many images to choose from, but somewhere along the way those adding the images got just a little carried away. :-) ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Joe, thanks for the first dose of dust! I hope you will help facilitate further work on the layout. I like your suggestion about a new article just for the coins. I have no particular knowledge of that topic, but I am sure that one of the other editors would be able to migrate some of the content. The overall article length is going to be an issue as more text content is added, so considering moving this special topic out is something that other editors may wish to consider seriously. I do not care which images are kept, as my main concern is just that there are so many of them that the text itself has display problems. I encourage you to help us think through how to improve the article layout. Buddhipriya 04:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, the first thing that needs to be done to do that is figure out which images are most important to keep. Since I am completely unfamiliar with the topic, I don't know which would be the best. I could just go through and remove the ones I thought were less important, but I wanted to give someone more familiar with the topic time to help in that respect. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Dear all. Coins are quite central to the history of the Kushans, as there is little epigraphical evidence besides them. I'd rather keep a fair quantity of them, and perhaps balance with more content at the same time as you may format the layout better. Please let's give some time to work on this. Best regards. PHG 05:44, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Let's see if we can get some other editors to express opinions on this. I could not find any policy guideline on this, so I asked for opinion about FAC guidelines: [1]. Even if the number if images is not cut, we still have to do something about the layout so you can read the text. I did find the statement that "In general, galleries are discouraged in main article namespace" in WP:IUP#Photo_galleries. And here are the MOS guidelines, which address some of the problems I have been raising with inability to read the text due to having so many images overlapping: Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style#Images. One of the MOS guidelines is to not sandwich text between images on the left and right. There seems to be no way to avoid that if there is more than one image in a short section. I just tested the first section (removing the px specification, which is also an MOS issue), and the cramping of the text is apparent on my screen. Buddhipriya 06:50, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
And by the way, I thought Joe would be a good contributor because he may be familiar with some of the issues related to use of non-English characters (the problem with Greek that I have previously mentioned). ॐ गं गणपतये नमः Buddhipriya 07:01, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with PHG that getting rid of coins will be dicey: for a lot of the major personages coins are the only evidence we have, let alone image. But I do see that the page is rather swolen with little gold disks. Perhaps there's a happy medium that can be reached? --Iustinus 10:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

This is why I suggested above that we needed someone familiar with the subject to indicate which images we absolutely needed to keep in the article, and which we might be able to do without in the main article. If you can make such a list, that would be helpful when cleaning things up. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I can see that this is going to be somewhat challenging, so perhaps we could start by looking at the issue of using multiple images in the same subsection, which causes a great deal of formatting disruption on my browser. Since we have a MOS guideline not to sandwich text between images on the left and right, could we begin by looking for layouts that specifically violate that guideline? I will try to find one like that now in the article as an example. Buddhipriya 18:35, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Coins article[edit]

Did this not ever happen? There are still a lot of images, and I wanted to work on that (unless I missed something somewhere, which is why I'm checking now). Dreambeaver(talk) 20:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh[edit]

It has been discovered that this book:

  • Gupta, Om. Encyclopaedia of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Gyan Publishing House, 2006. ISBN 8182053897, 9788182053892.

Contains significant amounts of material plagiarized from Wikipedia articles. (Some other books from the same publisher also have this problem). There is no practical way of determining which material came from Wikipedia, and which came from other sources. Further, widespread plagiarism is an indication of poor scholarship. For those reasons, and according to Wikipedia policy, WP:CIRCULAR, I will be deleting all citations to the book. However I will not delete the material that cites it, as there's no indication that the material is inaccurate. For more background, see WP:RSN#Circular references: Gyan Publishing and ISHA Books, or the archive after it goes there.   Will Beback  talk  00:11, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Information[edit]

Does Loulan has any relation with Karhana during Kushan era ? They were rulers of Karhana known as Loulan ( Old name Kroraina) which was situated on silk road.Please guide if any clue or information is available with anyone.

Karhana belongs to Gurjar or Gujjar caste of hindu religion.

A man from Matrix (talk) 19:31, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

I have never come across mention of any such connection in many years of study of this region. That, of course, does not mean it does not exist - only that, if so, it is not commonly known. Hope this is of some small help. Sincerely, John Hill (talk) 10:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

dates of reign of Kanishka[edit]

What is the source for the dates of the reigns as given? I have a print source that dates Kanishka's reign from A.D. 78 rather than the later date given in the text of the article. Could someone please get back on this dating issue. Thanks. ludahai 魯大海 (talk) 15:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

It looks like there are a couple separate sources. What is your print source? Dreambeaver(talk) 01:17, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Well the dates mentioned in the text are most probably wrong. It's a verifiable fact that the calender "Saka Samvat" was started by Kanishka 1 in 78 AD, but the text here says the Kushan Dynasty itself came into being in 80 AD. It is advised to the editors that the unverified data either be removed or tagged unverified.Priyanka6514 (talk) 11:04, 14 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanka6514 (talkcontribs) 11:01, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Origins[edit]

In the quote from John Keay, is "Shakas" a typographical error? It follows "Sakas", which appears earlier in the same quote.CorinneSD (talk) 20:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Corinne, John Keay is a journalist not a historian and should not be used as a source. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:58, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Tocharian[edit]

I have reverted this edit, which moved Tocharian from regional languages to official languages. While the empire did expand in the 2nd century to include the Tocharian-speaking cities of Kucha and Agni, we know that the language of the empire was Bactrian. Kanguole 23:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

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