Talk:Lafargue Clinic
Lafargue Clinic is currently a World history good article nominee. An editor has placed this article on hold to allow improvements to be made to satisfy the good article criteria. Recommendations have been left on the review page, and editors have seven days to address these issues. Improvements made in this period will influence the reviewer's decision whether or not to list the article as a good article. Nominated by Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) at 06:01, 11 August 2018 (UTC) |
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ibid[edit]
Etzedek24, I was going through your references and I saw "ibid"--my instinct, that this was discouraged on Wikipedia, was confirmed when I looked at WP:IBID. The moment a new reference is inserted between the ibid and the previous one, the ibid goes nowhere, really. Most editors I know use named references for the purpose, which I think looks less elegant in a reflist but has greater clarity for the reader. (Use of "ibid" will probably hinder GA status, for instance.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Drmies: Yeah, I thought about that too. Easily fixed, though. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 15:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- The more I look at this the more I love it. Thanks for writing it up. Drmies (talk) 15:26, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- I still have more to do, mostly with regard to adding in a legacy section to discuss more in depth the impact of the clinic on lifting segregation laws, as well as how Wertham used his case studies here for Seduction of the Innocent (which is interesting since only 30% of the patients were children!). I also need to actually read Mendes' book, I just used it for the clinic's closure since the articles didn't seem to cover it well, so that will give some more meat to the article as well. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 15:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- The more I look at this the more I love it. Thanks for writing it up. Drmies (talk) 15:26, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
More[edit]
Dropping a few links:
- https://muse.jhu.edu/article/556711/pdf
- https://www.jstor.org/stable/24631987?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
And there's more. I also think that Mendes's book may be independently notable, given the amount of coverage (peer-reviewed, academic reviews) I found, including this one:
Drmies (talk) 14:57, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Universalism[edit]
Is the 'universalism' mentioned ~4 times in article "Moral universalism".? Would that be worth a link to clarify? Shenme (talk) 22:55, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't make the connection, but it seems logical. It's been added. Etzedek24 (I'll talk at ya) (Check my track record) 23:53, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
GA Review[edit]
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Reviewer: Renata3 (talk · contribs) 03:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- Images
- Add church's pic? Or the parish house?
- Added from St. Philip's page. There was an image of the clinic with indeterminate copyright that was removed.
- I don't think there is enough FUR justification for Wertham's portrait
- You're right. I've removed it.
- WerthamLafargueKids.jpg: I assume you were going for {{PD-US-not renewed}}?
- Yes. I have amended the description page.
- Other
- Article overuses long direct quotes (they make the article read as a magazine story, not encyclopedia entry). Of 2500 words of readable prose, more than 1000 words are long quotations. Please consider rephrasing and summarizing the quotes. In particular I found these on the too-much side: "Weston's health inititiave....", "In the hands of children and adolescents at Lafargue...", "had convinced several of his fellow lawyers", "We would like you to testify..." (just plain asked to testify is sufficient), "...for the important assistance which you gave...", "the product of a complex interaction among psychiatrists," "Fredric Wertham and his colleagues at Lafargue".
- The two color boxes for quotes need inline refs.
- Done.
- IMHO, Ralph Ellison box better belong in "operations" section
- What's the purpose of the Fredric Wertham box?
- To illustrate the connection between Wertham and Wright, as well as to highlight Wertham's dedication to the hospital.
- Don't think separate "Discrimination in New York hospitals" section is needed -- text should be integrated into the general background section or removed (it goes a little off topic)
- The two cases specifically mentioned (Rachel and Chris) have nothing to do with mental health -- it might show the variety of cases handled, but in the absence of mental health cases they look weird.
- This was included to demonstrate that the clinic served as a pathway for blacks to receive proper medical care.
- More info needed
- Brown v. Board of Education - in lead, introduce what this case is about and why important (not everyone knows)
- Done.
- when Fredric Wertham agreed to see author Ralph Ellison - in which year?
- The 47 volunteers - need time frame, I would assume this is the total number of volunteers during the entire 12 yrs of service
- opened a facility called the Northside Center - when, where?
- ended their sessions at Lafargue due to the pain of the procedure - I read this to imply that the boy was getting spinal tap at Lafargue, is that right? But that is outside the scope of mental health?
- received $72,000 in funding - can use {{inflation}} to give a sense of the amount in today's dollars
- [The Brown v. Board decision] was not based on primitive insignificant dolls play - whose quote is that? and is it needed?
- lead mentions "Wertham and Mosse's published research from this time" but the article body says nothing about publications (just trial testimonies)
- any info on number of patients served?
- any info on funding sources? it just says it did not get gov's money in 1954.
- Prose
- Named for French Marxist physician Paul Lafargue... in lead is a run-on sentence, please break up into two.
- This sentence has been fixed.
- clinic only operated for 12 years - I think it should be clinic operated only for 12 years, no?
- I'm not convinced it needs to be changed.
- 1954 work Seduction of the Innocent - work title should be in italics
- Done.
- article in Free World - work title should be in italics
- Done.
- who at that time was chief psychiatrist at Queens General Hospital - should probably move to the first time he is introduced in the section
- antiblack discrimination - just sounds awkward, there are better ways to say it (e.g. discrimination of the blacks)
- I think the proposed change sounds much more awkward than what exists in the prose.
- as was common at the time - as it was common at the time?
- Changed to "as was common practice at the time."
- Plessy v. Ferguson - needs italics
- Done.
- Jim Crow - not wikilinked
- Done.
Overall, an interesting article, just needs some work. Renata (talk) 03:21, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
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